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Richard Clarida03 August 2017

Richard Clarida of Pimco on the New Neutral of Monetary Policy

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster07:35

Why Securitization Did Not Make the Financial System Safer

Removing mortgages from bank balance sheets initially looked like a risk-reducing financial innovation. In retrospect, weak underlying loans, derivatives, and excess securitization made the system more fragile than policymakers and investors understood.

  • Risk transfer can conceal rather than eliminate exposure
  • Mortgage securities were only as sound as their underlying loans
  • Derivatives increased complexity and interconnectedness
  • Apparent innovation can create systemic fragility

“the system was more fragile than a lot of folks thought at at the time.”

Richard Clarida · 08:03

“there were some accesses insecuritization and in derivatives”

Richard Clarida · 07:58
#securitization#mortgages#financial crisis#derivatives

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take20:01

The Case for 50-Year Inflation-Protected Treasury Bonds

Insurers and other liability-driven investors may value securities extending beyond the traditional 30-year Treasury horizon. Clarida sees particular merit in ultra-long inflation-indexed debt, although issuance only makes sense if demand is strong enough to avoid an excessive yield premium.

  • Long-duration assets can match long-dated liabilities
  • Lifetime inflation is a major individual-investor risk
  • Inflation-linked bonds could extend beyond 30 years
  • Treasury must test whether demand justifies issuance

“there could be a case for for doing so, UH, in particular long duration inflation index securities.”

Richard Clarida · 20:39

“the decision is going to come down to how big is the appetite”

Richard Clarida · 22:22
#treasuries#inflation#duration#bonds
Hot Take30:04

The Next Financial Crisis Will Not Resemble the Last One

Clarida expects another financial crisis but warns that defenses built after 2008 are designed for the previous failure mode. Better-capitalized banks may simply mean that risk has migrated into less visible parts of an interconnected global system.

  • Stability can encourage leverage and fragility
  • Regulators become proficient at fighting the previous crisis
  • The next breakdown may emerge outside major banks
  • Global interconnectedness transmits distant shocks

“there will be another financial crisis, and I'm convinced of the other thing is it will not look like the last crisis.”

Richard Clarida · 31:21

“the risk migration is somewhere else in the system, and I think we know less about that.”

Richard Clarida · 32:10
#financial crisis#systemic risk#banks#minsky
Hot Take36:49

Economics May Be Selecting Too Heavily for Pure Math Ability

Modern economics PhD programs attract a global student body with exceptional mathematical skills. Clarida worries that the discipline increasingly begins with mathematics and reverse-engineers the economics, rather than using mathematics to illuminate an intuitive understanding of the economy.

  • Economics graduate education has become highly international
  • Mathematical ability is increasingly a selection filter
  • Technical strength alone does not guarantee economic insight
  • Clarida teaches intuition before formal mathematics

“I think there's more to economics than math”

Richard Clarida · 38:19

“the pendulum is definitely swung towards beginning with the math and sort of reverse engineering the economics”

Richard Clarida · 38:33
#economics education#mathematics#graduate school#intuition

Explainer· 6

Explainer09:12

Why the Fed Entered the Mortgage Market After Lehman

Once the federal funds rate reached zero, the Federal Reserve needed an alternative crisis tool. Its first quantitative-easing program concentrated on mortgages because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were in conservatorship and uncertainty had engulfed mortgage finance.

  • The policy rate reached zero shortly after Lehman
  • Quantitative easing became the Fed's Plan B
  • Mortgage purchases targeted a severely impaired market
  • The Fed became a major mortgage holder reluctantly

“you really go to Plan B. And Plan B was doing quantitative easing”

Richard Clarida · 09:30

“the FED got in of the mortgage business. I think grudgingly.”

Richard Clarida · 09:57
#federal reserve#quantitative easing#mortgages#lehman
Explainer13:36

How the Fed Can Shrink Its Balance Sheet Without Going Fully Passive

Rather than allowing every maturing security to roll off, the Fed can cap monthly reductions and reinvest amounts above the cap. This creates a gradual glide path because reversing quantitative easing may raise interest rates by an uncertain amount.

  • Monthly caps limit the pace of balance-sheet contraction
  • Reinvestment can continue while the balance sheet shrinks
  • Officials distinguish the speed of runoff from the final balance-sheet size
  • Uncertainty about rate effects favors gradualism

“The Fed will be shrinking the balance sheet, but it will still be buying.”

Richard Clarida · 15:11

“How fast do they let it roll off? And then what is the ultimate destination.”

Richard Clarida · 15:44
#federal reserve#balance sheet#quantitative tightening#interest rates
Explainer16:22

The Productivity Slump Is Both Real and Miscounted

Digital and service-sector innovation is intrinsically difficult to measure, so official productivity statistics miss some gains. Clarida nevertheless sees a real slowdown driven partly by weak investment and faster depreciation and obsolescence of modern equipment.

  • Digital services complicate output measurement
  • The shift toward services makes productivity harder to quantify
  • Investment has been weak for roughly a dozen years
  • Technology-heavy capital becomes obsolete quickly

“I think the truth is it's probably some of both.”

Richard Clarida · 16:38

“We probably have more of an investment shortfall than than we're even measuring.”

Richard Clarida · 17:33
#productivity#investment#measurement#technology
Explainer28:58

DSGE Without the Jargon: An Economy Evolving Through Shocks

Dynamic stochastic general equilibrium modeling describes an economy changing over time while being hit by unpredictable events. The intimidating name mainly captures a model that traces responses to oil, supply, fiscal, and other shocks.

  • Dynamic means the model evolves over time
  • Stochastic means unexpected shocks can occur
  • The framework traces how the economy responds
  • Technical jargon can obscure a straightforward concept

“Essentially, what it means is that you're building a model of the economy which is going to be modeling the economy over time”

Richard Clarida · 29:20

“you want to know how the economy evolves when it's hit by shocks”

Richard Clarida · 29:36
#dsge#economic models#macroeconomics#shocks
Explainer39:45

Monetary Policy Moves Fast, but Its Economic Effects Do Not

Central banks face almost no implementation delay because they can change policy between scheduled meetings. The real economy responds later, while fiscal stimulus faces both economic transmission delays and political and project-selection bottlenecks before implementation.

  • Central banks can act without waiting for a scheduled meeting
  • Monetary transmission operates with delayed and variable effects
  • Fiscal policy requires legislation and implementation
  • Infrastructure projects are not automatically shovel-ready

“there's no there's no implementation lag of monetary policy.”

Richard Clarida · 41:37

“monetary policy operates with long and variable lags.”

Richard Clarida · 41:54
#monetary policy#fiscal policy#policy lags#infrastructure
Explainer1:11:21

Behavioral Economics Still Struggles to Explain Whole Markets

Researchers have strong evidence about individual departures from rational behavior, including optimism bias. The unresolved challenge is aggregating different biases and transactions into a coherent model in which all buying and selling interactions add up across the market.

  • Individual behavioral biases are well documented
  • Optimism may have an evolutionary basis
  • Markets contain interacting buyers and sellers with different biases
  • A general-equilibrium behavioral model remains elusive

“The stumbling block is we have very good insights into individual behavioral um departures from rationality”

Richard Clarida · 1:11:32

“we're still falling short of having a general equilibrium model of how different behaviors interact.”

Richard Clarida · 1:12:50
#behavioral economics#optimism bias#markets#general equilibrium

Story· 2

Story18:40

How Fracking and LNG Turned Natural Gas Into a Global Market

Fracking unexpectedly transformed energy supply and helped push oil and gas prices below prior assumptions. LNG technology then allowed the United States to move from anticipated gas importer to exporter while connecting formerly regional gas markets.

  • Technological inflection points are difficult to forecast
  • Fracking transformed global energy economics
  • LNG enabled international trade in US natural gas
  • Gas pricing began shifting from regional toward global

“That was a technological revolution that's transformed the entire global energy market.”

Richard Clarida · 18:46

“Now we're exportings.”

Richard Clarida · 19:38
#fracking#lng#energy#natural gas
Story50:40

Why the 1986 Tax Reform Model Is Hard to Repeat

Clarida recalls the 1986 tax-reform process as bipartisan from the beginning, with major Democratic and Republican figures participating. Contemporary reform faces a narrower governing window and lacks the same visible cross-party foundation, making comprehensive reform less likely than partial rate cuts and base broadening.

  • The 1986 reform began with bipartisan participation
  • Comprehensive tax reform is politically difficult
  • Presidents may have roughly 14 productive months before midterms dominate
  • Partial reform is more likely than wholesale redesign

“that process was bipartisan from the get go.”

Richard Clarida · 51:47

“You're thinking you've maybe got fourteen months”

Richard Clarida · 54:04
#tax reform#washington#bipartisanship#politics

Tool· 1

Tool1:07:41

Nowcasting Could Make Official GDP Releases Feel Obsolete

Large, rapidly available datasets let economists estimate current activity instead of waiting to forecast from delayed official reports. The approach remains difficult in a complex economy, but Clarida expects big data to transform economics despite inevitable false starts.

  • Data acquisition and cleaning were once major research constraints
  • Terminals now provide enormous searchable datasets
  • Nowcasting estimates the present rather than predicting the distant future
  • Economic complexity still limits accuracy

“We're not even out of the first ending in terms of what big data is going to do.”

Richard Clarida · 1:08:41

“by the time the GDP numbers come out, nobody even really cares”

Richard Clarida · 1:09:25
#big data#nowcasting#gdp#economic data

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway1:10:19

Markets Price Data Relative to Expectations, Not in Isolation

A seemingly strong number can hurt an asset if investors expected something stronger, while a negative number can trigger a rally if it beats the consensus. Surprise indexes formalize this relative comparison and make an old market intuition measurable.

  • Economic outcomes must be compared with consensus expectations
  • Positive data can be a downside surprise
  • Negative data can be an upside surprise
  • Market prices may already reflect the headline result

“is the data stronger weak? Is the data stronger weaker than expected?”

Richard Clarida · 1:10:23

“A negative number could be an upside surprise, and positive number could be a downside.”

Barry Ritholtz · 1:10:59
#expectations#market data#surprise index#asset prices
Takeaway1:18:51

Why Graduates Should Learn Inside a Quality Organization First

Clarida cautions against treating immediate entrepreneurship as the only ambitious career path. Strong organizations can provide mentorship, operating skills, standards, and experience that are difficult to acquire alone, while entrepreneurship can remain a later option.

  • High-profile founder outcomes create survivorship bias
  • Quality organizations provide valuable learning environments
  • Corporate politics also exists in entrepreneurial settings
  • A career can combine institutional learning and later entrepreneurship

“aligning yourself with quality organizations is a positive.”

Richard Clarida · 1:19:50

“You need the skill set that you can only learn learning an organization.”

Barry Ritholtz · 1:20:28
#careers#entrepreneurship#mentorship#organizations