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Ted Seides05 February 2025

Ted Seides on Whether Hedge Funds Are Right For You

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster02:12

Why Rockstar Hedge-Fund Returns Create the Wrong Benchmark

Media coverage emphasizes extraordinary winners and dramatic losers, but those tails do not represent the typical hedge-fund experience. Seides says investors considering equity-like hedge-fund strategies should expect high-single-digit returns rather than the spectacular figures associated with exceptional funds such as Renaissance's Medallion.

  • Extreme performers receive disproportionate media attention
  • Successful managers and strategies can revert toward the mean
  • Typical equity-like expectations are in the high single digits
  • Most hedge-fund outcomes occur between the celebrated extremes

“Yeah, those expectations should be more modest than what you might read in the press.”

Ted Seides · 02:43

“Most of the action isn't on either tail. Most of the actions right in the middle.”

Ted Seides · 03:25
#performance#expectations#media#mean reversion

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take04:43

When Size Hurts Performance—and When Platforms Defy the Rule

Seides invokes the asset-management aphorism that size is the enemy of performance, noting that smaller hedge funds have historically outperformed larger ones. Yet major multi-manager platforms such as Citadel, Millennium, and Point72 complicate the rule by combining many portfolio managers with strong centralized risk control.

  • Smaller funds have historically enjoyed performance advantages
  • A new fund is not necessarily the same as a small fund
  • Large platforms centralize risk control across many managers
  • Platform returns appear to contain meaningful alpha because beta is limited

“Well, in all the asset management, there's this aphorism size is the enemy of performance”

Ted Seides · 04:43

“where have they have multiple portfolio managers and do a phenomenal job at risk control”

Ted Seides · 05:16
#alpha#fund size#platform funds#risk control

Explainer· 3

Explainer01:25

What Hedge Funds Were Originally Designed to Do

Seides explains that hedge funds originally sought equity-like returns from marketable securities while taking less risk than the equity market. The term later expanded to encompass strategies with very different return profiles, including approaches that behave more like bonds.

  • The original target was equity-like return with reduced equity risk
  • Hedging was intended to reduce market exposure
  • Modern hedge funds span equity-like and bond-like strategies
  • The category label no longer defines one consistent behavior

“The original premise of hedge funds was to deliver an equity like return in marketable securities with less risk than the equity markets.”

Ted Seides · 01:25

“So hedge fund as a term became this very ubiquitous label”

Ted Seides · 01:50
#hedge funds#risk#returns#asset classes
Explainer11:44

Why Hedge-Fund Alpha Became Harder to Capture After 2008

The post-crisis investment world contains far more capital competing for a limited pool of opportunities. As excess returns became harder to extract, investors directed more money toward established managers with demonstrated records, concentrating industry assets among a smaller group of firms.

  • Competition for alpha increased after the financial crisis
  • More dollars now pursue a potentially unchanged opportunity pool
  • Proven managers command a growing share of capital
  • Industry assets have become more concentrated

“whatever pool of alpha is available before the financial crisis, if it's the same pool, it's there are a lot more dollars pursuing it”

Ted Seides · 12:21

“you've seen an increased concentration of the assets going to certain managers in the hedge fund space.”

Ted Seides · 12:39
#alpha#competition#manager selection#financial crisis
Explainer12:48

Why Two-and-Twenty Is No Longer the Standard Fee

Seides frames hedge-fund fees as a market-clearing price determined by supply and demand. Lower gross returns have reduced what most strategies can charge, putting the industry near one-and-a-half-and-fifteen, while scarce managers who continue to deliver can still raise fees.

  • Two-and-twenty is no longer common across the industry
  • Fees respond to supply, demand, and gross-return potential
  • Lower returns leave a smaller economic pie to divide
  • Exceptional managers can still command unusually high fees
  • One-and-a-half-and-fifteen is a rough prevailing level

“You don't see a lot of two and twenty. And part of that is that fees are just determined by supply and demand.”

Ted Seides · 13:03

“But for the most part, that kind of one and a half and fifteen is probably around where the industry is.”

Ted Seides · 13:36
#fees#supply and demand#manager economics#performance

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway08:06

Why Personal Hedge-Fund Allocations May Stay Near 5%

Sophisticated institutions may allocate as much as 20% to equity-like hedge funds, but taxable individuals face a different calculation. Seides says most hedge-fund strategies are tax inefficient, meaningful diversification requires substantial wealth, and his own individual allocation is about 5%.

  • Some sophisticated institutions allocate up to 20%
  • The investor may need double-digit millions before considering the category
  • Most hedge-fund assets come from tax-exempt or otherwise non-taxable investors
  • Taxable investors need exceptional managers to overcome the tax disadvantage
  • Seides personally allocates about 5%

“Most hedge fund strategies are tax inefficient.”

Ted Seides · 09:01

“So for me individually, it's about five percent because I need to feel like the managers are so good that they can make up for…”

Ted Seides · 10:13
#allocation#taxes#family offices#portfolio sizing
Takeaway13:44

Investors Will Pay High Fees—but Only for True Alpha

Institutions generally accept high fees when they can attribute returns to genuine manager skill rather than inexpensive market exposure. Legacy fee agreements remain difficult to alter, but newer structures increasingly try to separate alpha from beta and link compensation more directly to excess performance.

  • Institutions distinguish scarce alpha from cheap beta
  • Investors may willingly pay high fees for demonstrated alpha
  • Legacy commercial agreements slow fee reform
  • New allocations increasingly isolate performance-based compensation

“Most of the institutions would be happy to pay high fees for true alpha”

Ted Seides · 14:04

“How can we pay not much for the beta and happy to pay a lot for the alpha.”

Ted Seides · 14:13
#alpha#beta#fees#incentives