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Ted Seides11 August 2023

Ted Seides on the World’s Elite Money Managers

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Myth Buster· 3

Myth Buster14:27

Why Emerging-Manager Studies May Miss the Funds That Matter

Seides challenges academic claims that smaller hedge funds reliably outperform because the relevant performance data are incomplete and self-reported. Studies may define large funds unrealistically and fail to weight observations according to where investors actually hold assets.

  • Top private funds often do not report performance to academic databases
  • Self-reported datasets introduce selection bias
  • Definitions of large managers may be economically unrealistic
  • Equal-weighted studies may not represent investor experience

“The promise the academics should do the research don't have access to the performance data of the funds that matter.”

Ted Seides · 15:34

“None of them are call it asset weighted.”

Ted Seides · 15:41
#hedge funds#research#data quality#emerging managers
Myth Buster30:16

Why Hedge-Fund Indexes Can Misstate Investor Experience

Hedge-fund indexes commonly weight each fund equally, but investor capital is concentrated in large firms such as D. E. Shaw, Millennium, and Citadel. Seides argues that asset-weighted results better represent the returns institutions actually experience.

  • Published indexes tend to be equal weighted
  • Investor experience is asset weighted by definition
  • Institutional assets concentrate in established managers
  • Industry-median performance can differ from capital-weighted performance

“what you see in an index tends to be equal weighted, and the experience of investors is asset weighted by definition.”

Ted Seides · 30:19

“Every hedge fund index is equal weighted, and that is not the experience of investments.”

Ted Seides · 30:47
#hedge funds#indexes#asset weighting#institutional investors
Myth Buster40:48

How Repetition and Headlines Distorted the Buffett Bet

A carefully reported Fortune article became the source for extensive secondary coverage, but Seides says later stories repeatedly introduced factual errors. A Bloomberg headline he did not control also reframed a neutral analysis as excuses for losing before the wager had ended.

  • Secondary reporting multiplied factual inaccuracies
  • Writers often do not control article headlines
  • A headline can reverse the perceived tone of an analysis
  • The wager was described as lost before its formal conclusion

“every other piece that got riden had factual inaccuracy.”

Ted Seides · 42:25

“when you write a piece, you don't control the title of the piece.”

Ted Seides · 43:03
#media#headlines#reporting#buffett bet

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take58:36

A 90% Pay Discount Undermines Public-Pension Talent

Large US public pensions may entrust hundreds of billions of dollars to professionals paid far below market rates. Seides contrasts this with Canadian and Australian models that compensate investment teams near market levels, while Ritholtz argues severe discounts almost guarantee a weaker talent pool.

  • Some US pension professionals earn $80,000-$150,000
  • Canadian and Australian teams are closer to market compensation
  • US compensation discounts may approach 90%
  • Low pay can impair recruitment and retention
  • Governance determines whether institutions invest adequately in talent

“Public pension funds that manage hundreds of billion dollars can be manned by professionals that make eighty to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a…”

Ted Seides · 58:43

“these largest pools of capital might have ninety percent discounts to the market.”

Ted Seides · 59:09
#pensions#compensation#talent#governance

Explainer· 4

Explainer11:53

How Yale Built a Decade-Long First-Mover Advantage

Yale entered venture capital and hedge funds before most institutions understood those markets. Its early start created time to learn, build relationships, make mistakes, secure board support, and gain access to managers who later stopped accepting new capital.

  • Early access created a durable relationship advantage
  • Supportive governance allowed experimentation
  • Yale had years to distinguish strong managers from weak ones
  • Later imitators faced capacity constraints and crowded markets

“the hardest part of the game was understanding that the game was getting played, knowing where to go to access it, and then on top…”

Ted Seides · 11:53

“By the time I got there in ninety two, they had a great venture portfolio and almost nobody else even understood what venture.”

Ted Seides · 12:50
#yale#venture capital#hedge funds#first-mover advantage
Explainer25:30

Competition and Zero Rates Weakened Hedge-Fund Returns

Seides attributes the wager's result partly to a shrinking alpha pool as more capital and competitors entered hedge funds. Zero interest rates also removed the short rebate and could turn short positions from income-generating balances into an additional cost.

  • Competition increased while the alpha pool likely shrank
  • More capital pursued similar opportunities
  • Zero rates eliminated the normal short rebate
  • At higher rates, the rebate can materially improve returns
  • The S&P 500 also experienced an unusually strong recovery

“I think it's reasonable to think that the alpha pool shrunk”

Ted Seides · 25:54

“when the FED brought rates to zero, not only were you not getting a rebate, you were paying to short.”

Ted Seides · 26:17
#hedge funds#interest rates#alpha#short selling
Explainer48:23

Why Asset-Management Incentives Keep Shortening Investment Horizons

Short-termism persists because every participant in the capital chain reports to someone else and is judged on recent performance. Even pools with perpetual legal lives are managed by people facing monthly, quarterly, and career-based pressures.

  • Performance reporting creates pressure throughout the capital chain
  • Holding periods have shortened across investment types
  • Shorter horizons can reduce long-term returns
  • Perpetual institutions still operate through short-tenured humans
  • Average CIO tenure can be far shorter than the pool's nominal horizon

“it's a huge problem, and it's an intractable problem because of the way incentive systems work.”

Ted Seides · 48:23

“the holding periods of every type of investment have just gotten shorter and shorter.”

Ted Seides · 48:38
#short-termism#incentives#asset management#time horizon
Explainer1:00:09

The ESG Umbrella Hides Three Different Objectives

Seides argues that environmental, social, and governance concerns were bundled under a label that institutions and product creators often could not define clearly. A more coherent approach begins with the institution's purpose, selects the specific objective it cares about, and then determines how capital should support it.

  • Environmental, social, and governance goals may be unrelated
  • Institutions must define what they are solving for
  • Social diversity is only a proxy for cognitive diversity
  • Governance quality is broadly desirable rather than a distinct niche
  • No single ESG implementation works across every strategy

“the label that everyone ascribed to it wasn't anything anyone could understand.”

Ted Seides · 1:00:41

“Each institution has to decide how do they want to align their investing with the purpose of the institution.”

Ted Seides · 1:01:17
#esg#impact investing#cognitive diversity#values

Story· 3

Story16:51

The Snail-Mail Challenge That Became Buffett's Million-Dollar Bet

After reading Buffett's challenge to hedge funds, Seides mailed him a one-page letter proposing a wager. Several rounds of written negotiation produced a legally structured charitable bet through Long Bets, funded with the present value of a zero-coupon bond.

  • The exchange began with a physical one-page letter
  • Buffett insisted on serious collateralized terms
  • Long Bets provided a legal charitable structure
  • Both sides funded the wager upfront
  • The winning charity would receive the proceeds after ten years

“And so I wrote him a one page letter and mail or hard C. I didn't have his email, so I sent it snail mail”

Ted Seides · 19:13

“And so that's what we did, and we we find we made it for a million dollars.”

Ted Seides · 22:08
#warren buffett#hedge funds#long bets#charity
Story55:29

How Governance Can Destroy a Successful Investment Team

Seides describes Hartford Healthcare replacing an internal team through a board-led process that excluded both the team and knowledgeable investment-committee members. The episode illustrates how poor communication and authority structures can undermine an otherwise capable investment organization.

  • Boards ultimately control many institutional investment decisions
  • The internal team was reportedly not consulted
  • Investment-committee experts were unaware of the replacement search
  • Governance failures can overwhelm investment skill
  • Inherited portfolios make short-term outcome judgments unreliable

“If you can't make a good decision as a board, we'll call that the governance structure. How do actual investment decisions get made? You can't…”

Barry Ritholtz · 56:07

“the board hired Morgan Stanley as an OCIO, not only without ever consulting the team”

Ted Seides · 57:07
#governance#investment committees#ocio#institutional investing
Story1:06:28

Capital Allocators Grew by Serving a Narrow Professional Audience

Seides launched Capital Allocators to interview people he personally found interesting, not as a planned media business. The show grew organically into a major institutional-investing podcast because its conversations added professional value to allocators and money managers worldwide.

  • The show began as an enjoyable side project
  • Guests are selected personally by Seides
  • Promotion experiments did not drive growth
  • Professional usefulness generated organic discovery
  • A narrow expert audience proved globally distributed

“people have found it because it added value to their professional careers.”

Ted Seides · 1:11:10
#podcasting#organic growth#institutional investing#audience

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway35:39

The Buffett Bet's Greatest Return Was the Relationship

Although Seides lost the formal investment wager, annual dinners with Buffett produced extraordinary relationships, stories, introductions, and philanthropic opportunities. He regards that access and experience as more valuable than the wager's economic result.

  • The participants dined with Buffett during the wager
  • A dinner introduction helped bring Jack Bogle to Berkshire's annual meeting
  • Seides helped connect hedge-fund managers with the Giving Pledge
  • The charitable proceeds ultimately exceeded the original target
  • Experiential and relationship returns outweighed the financial cost

“Yeah, as an experience and relationships, it was just extraordinary.”

Ted Seides · 37:06

“for me, the biggest takeaway is the value of relationships”

Ted Seides · 43:50
#relationships#warren buffett#giving pledge#philanthropy
Takeaway1:19:32

The Most Important Allocation Decision Is Evaluating People

Seides concludes that analytical rigor and investment discipline are necessary but insufficient in active management. Investors must observe how decision-makers behave under stress because governance, judgment, and character ultimately determine how a strategy is executed.

  • Active decisions are made by human beings
  • Difficult periods reveal good and bad behavior
  • Investment discipline cannot compensate for every people failure
  • Governance and decision-making quality are central
  • People evaluation should frame capital-allocation decisions

“ultimately active management is a people business.”

Ted Seides · 1:19:47

“evaluating people as a frame for how you think about where you want to allocate your capitals probably the single most important thing you can…”

Ted Seides · 1:20:00
#people#active management#manager selection#character