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19 February 2025

Team Favorite At the Money: Valuation Is an Exercise in Faith

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster04:19

Why P/E Multiples Are Pricing, Not Intrinsic Valuation

Damaduran argues that ratios such as price-to-earnings and price-to-book compare what the market charges for similar companies. They may help identify relative cheapness, but they do not independently establish what a business is intrinsically worth.

  • Multiples compare one traded asset with other traded assets
  • The definition of a comparable company is inherently judgmental
  • Relative cheapness is not the same as intrinsic value
  • Sell-side equity research often emphasizes pricing rather than valuation

“There's nothing value in here, there's no intrinsic value judgment.”

Aswath Damaduran · 04:49

“It's not about valuation.”

Aswath Damaduran · 05:01
#multiples#relative valuation#pricing#equities
Myth Buster09:26

Undervalued Stocks Do Not Have a Convergence Deadline

Behavioral finance helps explain why price can diverge from value and remain separated for long periods. An investor may therefore have a defensible valuation and still experience sustained losses or frustration while waiting for recognition.

  • Price does not have to move rapidly toward estimated value
  • Mispricing can persist for extended periods
  • Being analytically correct does not ensure timely profit
  • A valuation strategy requires tolerance for uncomfortable divergence

“Price can deviate from value. It can stay separated from value for long periods”

Aswath Damaduran · 09:46

“you think you got it right, but you keep losing money.”

Aswath Damaduran · 09:56
#mispricing#behavioral finance#mean reversion#patience

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take10:21

Why Damaduran Says Investing Is an Exercise in Faith

Damaduran describes investing as faith in both one's estimate of value and the eventual movement of price toward that value. Neither proposition can be conclusively proved in advance, and even a sound process can end without a profitable outcome.

  • Investors must trust an uncertain estimate of value
  • They must also believe price may eventually reflect that value
  • No catalyst or convergence date is guaranteed
  • A correct process can still produce no reward

“I said, the essence of investing is faith.”

Aswath Damaduran · 10:36

“The essence of investing is you can do everything right and have nothing to show for it”

Aswath Damaduran · 11:29
#faith#uncertainty#investing#risk

Explainer· 2

Explainer07:05

Intrinsic Valuation Works for the S&P 500 Too

The same fundamental reasoning used for an individual company can be applied to the S&P 500 or Nasdaq. Damaduran uses index cash flows and current prices to estimate what return investors are collectively pricing into the market.

  • Indices can be evaluated through their underlying economics
  • Current prices imply a prospective rate of return
  • Damaduran performs this exercise at the start of each month
  • Index valuation does not require relying exclusively on historical multiples

“Absolutely, I mean it's cash flows, growth and risk drive the value of Invidia.”

Aswath Damaduran · 07:13

“It's a very intrinsic value view of what can you expect to make as a rate of return on an index?”

Aswath Damaduran · 07:31
#s&p 500#indices#expected returns#markets
Explainer08:29

Price and Value Move for Different Reasons

Intrinsic value changes with earnings, cash flows, growth, and risk, while market price responds to demand, supply, mood, and momentum. Because these processes differ, a changing price does not necessarily indicate an equivalent change in economic value.

  • Intrinsic value is not permanently stable
  • New business opportunities can materially change value
  • Price responds to market behavior as well as information
  • Momentum can shape how investors interpret news

“Recognize that are two different processes.”

Aswath Damaduran · 08:51

“Price is driven by demand and supply, driven by mood and momentum”

Aswath Damaduran · 09:14
#price#intrinsic value#behavioral finance#momentum

Story· 1

Story05:40

The Nvidia Detail That Changed Damaduran's Valuation

Damaduran bought Nvidia years before anticipating the AI boom and later had to revisit its value after an enormous price increase. His research revealed that Nvidia designs chips while TSMC manufactures them, a distinction that changed how he thought about the company's expenditures and cash flows.

  • The original Nvidia investment benefited from luck
  • A large price increase forced a fresh valuation decision
  • Nvidia's role is chip design rather than chip fabrication
  • Operating structure directly affects cash-flow assumptions

“So sometimes your best investments happened by accident.”

Aswath Damaduran · 05:49

“Every Nvidia chip is made by TSMC, which basically changes the way you think about the business.”

Aswath Damaduran · 06:19
#nvidia#business models#semiconductors#valuation

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway07:39

Paying More Today Lowers Your Expected Return

The price paid upfront has a direct relationship with prospective returns. Holding the asset's future economics constant, buying the same stock or index at a higher price leaves the investor with a lower expected return.

  • Entry price has an outsized effect on long-term returns
  • A higher index level implies a lower prospective return
  • Expected return differs from the return ultimately realized
  • Purchase price is a critical capital-allocation decision

“The more you pay for something upfront, the lower your expected returns are going to be.”

Aswath Damaduran · 07:50

“It's about paying the right price for something upfront.”

Aswath Damaduran · 08:21
#expected returns#entry price#capital allocation