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Simon Hallett31 July 2020

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Hot Take· 2

Hot Take04:30

Why Macroeconomic Forecasts Can Damage Investment Returns

Hallett argues that macroeconomic forecasts are both unreliable and weakly connected to stock-market returns. Harding Lovner therefore prevents macro opinions from driving security selection, while using broad economic scenarios only to frame portfolio expectations and client communication.

  • GDP forecasts are difficult to make accurately
  • GDP growth has little correlation with stock-market returns
  • Macro opinions should not drive stock selection
  • Economic scenarios can still inform expectations

“I look upon macro economic forecasting as damaging too good investment returns.”

Simon Hallett · 06:01

“we tried very hard not to let it influence our portfolios.”

Simon Hallett · 05:01
#forecasting#macroeconomics#investing#gdp
Hot Take42:13

China's Index Weight Can Undermine Emerging-Market Diversification

Hallett warns that Chinese equities increasingly dominate emerging-market benchmarks, potentially turning a nominally diversified allocation into a concentrated country bet. He compares the risk with Japan's dominance of non-US indexes in the late 1980s, while noting that Chinese valuations are not similarly extreme.

  • Chinese stocks dominate emerging-market benchmarks
  • Benchmark concentration can create hidden country risk
  • Japan's former index dominance offers a useful parallel
  • China's increased weight reflects market access as well as price gains

“If you want to diversified global emerging market portfolio, you have to be careful at this stage because Chinese stocks dominate the market benchmarks”

Simon Hallett · 42:46

“there are parallels with the dominance of China in the emerging market benchmarks”

Simon Hallett · 43:55
#china#emerging markets#index concentration#diversification

Explainer· 3

Explainer19:10

How Promotion and Relegation Transform English Football

English football clubs move through a hierarchy of divisions based on seasonal results, unlike largely closed American leagues. Promotion creates opportunity while relegation carries severe financial and emotional costs, making consequential competition extend throughout the standings.

  • Top-performing teams move to a higher division
  • Bottom-performing teams are relegated
  • Relegation creates major financial and emotional losses
  • The open hierarchy makes almost every match meaningful

“at the end of every season, teams in the division are ranked by their results and the best show go up to the next division…”

Simon Hallett · 20:01

“the impact is that it makes almost every game meaningful.”

Simon Hallett · 20:43
#football#promotion#relegation#england
Explainer29:14

Price May Converge to Value, but Not on Your Schedule

Hallett distinguishes market price from underlying value and expects convergence only over an unpredictable period. Valuation remains necessary despite uncertain cash flows, discount rates, and equity-risk premiums, so growth and a long holding period provide protection against moderate errors.

  • Price and value are different concepts
  • Convergence occurs at an unpredictable pace
  • Valuation inputs cannot be known precisely
  • Business growth can offset an overly high purchase price over time

“We believe that there's a difference between price and value, and that price converges on value over time, but that that convergence is at an…”

Simon Hallett · 30:16

“we recognize that our valuations are inaccurate, but we need them.”

Simon Hallett · 31:16
#valuation#price#cash flow#risk premium
Explainer37:26

Why Near-Zero Rates Revalue Growth Stocks

Near-zero rates reduce the mathematical penalty applied to cash flows arriving far in the future, which can support higher growth-stock valuations. Hallett nevertheless warns that explanations created after market moves are often persuasive stories without predictive power.

  • Low discount rates increase the present value of distant cash flows
  • Risk still distinguishes current from future cash flows
  • Growth stocks experienced substantial revaluation
  • Post-hoc market narratives may lack forecasting value

“interest rates that are closed to zero do very strange things for value, particularly, do strange things for the value of growth of growth stops.”

Simon Hallett · 37:40

“We're extraordinarily good producing stories to explain something that's already happened.”

Simon Hallett · 38:34
#interest rates#growth stocks#discounting#narratives

Story· 1

Story16:30

Why Hallett Bought His Boyhood Football Club

Hallett describes Plymouth Argyle as a labor of love rather than a financial investment. The club lets him support the community that funded his education while preserving an institution deeply embedded in local life.

  • Plymouth Argyle was Hallett's childhood club
  • The purchase was not motivated by investment returns
  • Football clubs play significant community roles
  • Hallett views his support as voluntary local payback

“It's certainly not an investment barrier, or if it is, it's the worst one I've ever made.”

Simon Hallett · 16:42

“It's a labor of love and it's really a little bit of giving back to the community in Plymouth.”

Simon Hallett · 17:04
#plymouth argyle#community#ownership#philanthropy

Takeaway· 4

Takeaway07:57

Investors Do Not Need to Be Original to Be Effective

Hallett credits academic research and other people's ideas for shaping his investment practice. He argues that identifying useful thinking and implementing it for clients matters more than performing originality or claiming intellectual ownership.

  • Academic work can improve real investment decisions
  • Implementation matters more than novelty
  • Reinhart and Rogoff shaped post-crisis expectations
  • The pursuit of originality can distract from useful practice

“I haven't had an original sort in my entire career, but I've been very very good at identifying useful thoughts from other people and implementing…”

Simon Hallett · 08:19

“there's this relentless pursuit of originality.”

Simon Hallett · 08:53
#learning#research#originality#implementation
Takeaway55:36

More Research Can Raise Confidence Without Improving Accuracy

Investment management rewards broad curiosity because almost any subject can become relevant. Its danger is endless information gathering: additional research may make a decision-maker feel more confident without increasing the decision's validity.

  • Intellectual curiosity is necessary but insufficient
  • Investing makes an unusually broad range of knowledge relevant
  • Researchers need explicit stopping discipline
  • Additional information can inflate confidence without improving accuracy

“just finding out more. Just as the sake of finding out more makes you feel better about individual decisions, it gives you more confidence, but…”

Simon Hallett · 56:35

“everything is relevant.”

Simon Hallett · 56:14
#research#decision making#confidence#career advice
Takeaway56:49

Integrity Gives an Investment Career Room to Compound

Hallett's strongest career advice is to remain honest and refuse compromises to personal integrity. Industry growth may be uncertain, but a trustworthy reputation preserves the ability to benefit from whatever professional success emerges.

  • Do not let others compromise your integrity
  • Industry growth is not guaranteed to repeat
  • Sensible conduct and honesty supported Hallett's career
  • Trust preserves the value of later success

“the most advice I can give you that I would give anybody is just stay honest. Don't let anyone compromise your integrity.”

Simon Hallett · 56:49

“you at least give yourself a good chance of capitalizing on any success you may have.”

Simon Hallett · 57:22
#integrity#career advice#investment management#ethics
Takeaway57:32

Markets Change Faster Than Human Behavior

Financial information and investing knowledge have become far more widely available since Hallett began his career. Human tendencies have changed much less, making self-control more consequential than trying to know more or appear smarter than everyone else.

  • Financial knowledge is more pervasive than it was decades ago
  • Human behavioral tendencies remain persistent
  • Superior intelligence alone does not produce intelligent investing
  • Self-control is central to long-term decision quality

“the world of investing is very, very different, but the world of human beings is very much the same.”

Simon Hallett · 58:22

“I wish I'd known earlier on just how important it was not to be smarter and no more than everybody, but to be able to…”

Simon Hallett · 58:24
#behavioral finance#self-control#investing#decision making