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Tom Barkin30 May 2025

Richmond Federal Reserve President and CEO Tom Barkin

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster37:32

Why Lower Rates Would Not Unlock the Housing Shortage

Barkin accepts that low-rate mortgages discourage existing owners from moving, but rejects the idea that lower rates alone would solve scarcity. Every owner who lists a home generally becomes a buyer too, increasing demand alongside supply while the deeper problem remains decades of underbuilding.

  • Mortgage lock-in reduces household mobility
  • Movers add demand at the same time they add supply
  • Short-term Fed rates do not mechanically determine mortgage rates
  • Household formation and housing preferences raised demand
  • The durable answer is additional construction

“every one of those people who moved is a seller and a buyer”

Tom Barkin · 37:46

“The answer to that is to build more supply.”

Tom Barkin · 38:25
#housing#mortgages#interest rates#supply
Myth Buster53:40

The Critical Inflation Difference Between Today and the 1970s

The 1970s combined policy mistakes, oil shocks, and inflation expectations embedded in high long-term bond rates. Barkin argues that current long-term expectations remain much better anchored because markets expect the Fed to respond if inflation resurges, even when short-term price shocks occur.

  • The 1970s included repeated oil-price shocks
  • Long-term rates embedded expectations of persistent inflation
  • Today's short-term shocks have not similarly unanchored long-term expectations
  • Credibility depends on expectations that the Fed will respond

“those price shocks didn't just affect today's prices. It also affected the market's views on tomorrow's prices.”

Tom Barkin · 54:48

“metrics of long term expectations feel very grounded”

Tom Barkin · 54:59
#1970s#inflation#bond market#fed credibility

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take33:40

Remote and Office-First Companies Will Compete It Out

Barkin sees remote work as newly discovered flexibility that cannot simply be erased. Companies favoring full-time offices and those using remote access to attract talent will test competing models, trading property savings against potential collaboration benefits until sector-specific patterns emerge.

  • Workers discovered flexibility that had been hidden by convention
  • Employee preferences are not uniform
  • Remote firms may gain talent access and lower property costs
  • Office-first firms are betting on collaboration
  • Different sectors may settle on different arrangements

“We have flexibility we didn't know we had. That's where I start, and you can't bury that.”

Tom Barkin · 33:40

“One will have lower property costs, one will have higher collaboration. We'll see what happens.”

Tom Barkin · 34:28
#remote work#workplace#talent#real estate

Explainer· 5

Explainer15:55

Why Bad Sentiment Freezes Businesses but Not Consumers

Barkin distinguishes business uncertainty from consumer dissatisfaction. Uncertain companies defer investment, hiring, and growth because they cannot confidently plan, while consumers may remain unhappy about inflation yet continue spending when their nominal wages and spending capacity have also risen.

  • Business uncertainty directly suppresses investment and hiring
  • Dense fog makes pausing the rational corporate response
  • Consumers strongly dislike inflation even when spending power is unchanged
  • Recent consumer sentiment has not reliably predicted spending

“the only rational strategy is to pull over and put on the hazards.”

Tom Barkin · 16:59

“It turns out consumers really hate inflation.”

Tom Barkin · 17:24
#sentiment#consumer spending#business investment#uncertainty
Explainer25:25

The Richmond Fed District Contains Three Different Economies

Barkin divides the district into the unique Washington metropolitan economy, rapidly growing New South cities, and numerous rural or small-town markets. Traveling among all three reveals materially different labor conditions, business concerns, and policy experiences that national averages can conceal.

  • Washington has a uniquely government-centered economy
  • Charlotte, Raleigh, Richmond, and Greenville represent fast-growth urban markets
  • Appalachian and I-95 communities include many rural and small-town economies
  • Labor shortages remain much sharper in small towns

“I kind of think about as three different economies”

Tom Barkin · 26:17

“the labor markets in the small towns are unbelievably stressed still”

Tom Barkin · 27:31
#regional economy#richmond fed#labor markets
Explainer31:41

The Professions Still Systemically Short of Workers

Although the overall labor market has moved closer to balance, Barkin sees persistent shortages in skilled trades, care professions, and state and local government. COVID made many care roles less attractive, workers migrated elsewhere, and constrained budgets have limited employers' ability to repair shortages through higher pay.

  • National labor balance masks severe occupational shortages
  • Skilled trades remain difficult to staff
  • Nursing, teaching, elder care, and childcare lost workers during COVID
  • Training, development, and compensation must all contribute to recovery

“there are a set of professions out there that used to be a wall with employees that now seem to be systemically short of employees.”

Tom Barkin · 31:54

“some combination of training and development of people and compensation of people is going to have to happen”

Tom Barkin · 32:39
#labor shortage#skilled trades#care economy#wages
Explainer44:20

The Two Ways High Prices Create Their Own Cure

High prices trigger demand substitution as consumers trade down, switch retailers, or choose alternative products. Successful price increases also attract new supply and competitors, creating pressure that eventually limits or reverses excessive pricing.

  • Consumers search for cheaper substitutes
  • Trading down disciplines companies that overprice
  • High margins attract competitors and additional supply
  • Post-stimulus consumers have more reason and energy to resist increases

“if a company raises its price is too high, then its customers are going to do something else and that'll teach the company that that…”

Tom Barkin · 44:42

“if prices are high and successfully passed on, then new competitors will come in”

Tom Barkin · 44:49
#prices#competition#consumer behavior#supply
Explainer56:07

Why Market Rate-Cut Forecasts Can Differ from Fed Projections

Barkin cautions against reading expected market rate cuts as a simple disagreement with policymakers. Market pricing incorporates recession and other tail risks, producing a probability-weighted average, while an official forecast may describe the single most likely path.

  • Market pricing includes low-probability recession scenarios
  • A policy forecast can represent the modal outcome
  • A market price represents a weighted average across outcomes
  • Two versus three cuts may reflect methodology rather than economic disagreement

“whenever you look at the market quote unquote market's view on the number of rate cuts, you have to remember that in that assessment includes…”

Tom Barkin · 56:27

“I just think one's got one a modal and one's a weighted average, and I think those aren't the same things”

Tom Barkin · 56:57
#rate cuts#forecasting#tail risk#markets

Story· 1

Story01:33

How Barkin Gained the Confidence to Leave Law for Business

Barkin entered Harvard expecting to study mathematics and become a lawyer, but economics exposed him to a more appealing blend of history, politics, and quantitative analysis. Enrolling in both law and business programs let him compare the professions directly, creating enough confidence to choose business.

  • An unexpectedly difficult math class prompted a change of major
  • Economics connected Barkin's interests in history, politics, and mathematics
  • Business school created a direct comparison between two career paths
  • Exposure to an adjacent option made a major transition feel possible

“I wouldn't have made that transition. If I hadn't applied to business school, I just wouldn't have the confidence to do it.”

Tom Barkin · 03:01
#career change#education#optionality

Q&A· 1

Q&A22:37

Why Two Percent Remains the Fed's Inflation Target

Barkin argues that a target anchors the public and creates institutional commitment to corrective action. Two percent is globally recognized, historically achievable, and provides protection against deflation and measurement error without implying that every monthly reading must hit exactly 2.0 percent.

  • Having a target matters before debating its precise value
  • Two percent offers room above damaging deflation
  • Quality improvements can create unmeasured price declines
  • A target is a direction, not a promise of monthly precision

“it's a really good idea to have a target, because it anchors the public in terms of where you're trying to go”

Tom Barkin · 22:40

“Two's a target, and if you're off too on the above or on the below, you try to manage yourself toward it”

Tom Barkin · 24:39
#inflation target#federal reserve#deflation

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway07:51

Barkin's Differential Skill Inside the FOMC

Surrounded by career academic economists, Barkin identified direct knowledge of business behavior as his distinctive contribution. He reinforces that advantage by spending extensive time with companies throughout the Richmond Fed district rather than relying solely on his prior private-sector résumé.

  • Value comes from identifying what a team lacks
  • Barkin focuses on why businesses change prices, hiring, and investment
  • Direct market contact sustains rather than merely asserts his expertise
  • A nontraditional background can complement deep technical specialization

“what you really want to do is add value to whatever job you've got.”

Tom Barkin · 08:47

“what I spend my days doing is trying to understand what's actually happening on the ground with businesses”

Tom Barkin · 08:56
#career strategy#fomc#business insight