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Michael Spence25 October 2019

Michael Spence Discusses Inequality and Growth

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster1:09:43

Closing Information Gaps Does Not Automatically Protect Everyone

Mobile internet and digital technology can broaden access to consequential information, but the same reach and targeting tools can help bad actors exploit vulnerable people. Spence treats this as a manageable governance problem rather than a reason to reject the technology.

  • Mobile internet has dramatically narrowed the digital divide.
  • Digital information access can support inclusive growth.
  • The same tools create scalable methods of fraud and exploitation.
  • Benefits and harms must be managed together.

“this digital technology does close gaps in a sort of start legally important and inclusive way.”

Michael Spence · 1:09:47

“powerful tools like these can be used to exploit the vulnerable as well.”

Michael Spence · 1:10:23
#digital divide#fraud#inclusion#technology

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take31:12

Automation Is Removing the Traditional First Rung of Development

Labor-intensive export manufacturing historically supplied jobs and foreign demand to developing economies. As robotics approaches tasks such as textile assembly, new platform-centered entrepreneurial ecosystems may be needed to provide an alternative path into global markets.

  • Software has high fixed costs and near-zero replication costs.
  • Automation threatens labor-intensive manufacturing jobs.
  • Developing economies still need something exportable.
  • Digital platforms may enable new businesses and employment.

“But that undercuts a very important part of the growth model that we saw being used essentially in every country that was really successful. Jobs.”

Michael Spence · 31:36

“you can create ecosystems, platform centered ecosystems that enable entrepreneurs to create businesses and employee people”

Michael Spence · 32:48
#automation#development#jobs#platforms

Explainer· 7

Explainer06:09

Why Hidden Quality Drives the Best Sellers Out of a Market

When buyers cannot distinguish quality, the market price reflects average quality. High-quality sellers reject that price and leave, reducing average quality and triggering a downward cycle of further exits and price declines.

  • Hidden differences force average-based pricing.
  • High-quality sellers are underpaid relative to their value.
  • The best remaining sellers leave first as prices fall.
  • Market quality can progressively unravel.

“the price reflects the average quality, and the people at the top end of the quality spectrum say that's not a very good price for…”

Michael Spence · 06:39

“it's adverse because the top end of the quality spectrum leaves.”

Michael Spence · 07:04
#adverse selection#information asymmetry#markets
Explainer07:23

How Modest Growth Created a Fortyfold Global Income Divide

Industrialized economies did not need spectacular annual growth to pull far ahead. Roughly two centuries of sustained real per-capita growth compounded into income levels twenty to forty times those of countries excluded from industrialization and an open global economy.

  • Compounding magnified modest annual growth over two centuries.
  • Only a minority of the global population initially industrialized.
  • Colonial governance and a closed global economy constrained other countries.
  • Modern convergence is reversing part of that historic divergence.

“but if you if you do it for two hundred years, you get a fairly big ink magic of compounding exactly”

Michael Spence · 08:01

“this convergent process is going to be very hard to stop”

Michael Spence · 09:42
#compounding#industrialization#convergence
Explainer26:27

Why Trade-War Uncertainty Hurts Beyond the Tariffs

Tariffs directly slow export-dependent activity, but uncertainty spreads the damage globally. Firms defer capital expenditure, hiring, and supply-chain relocation because they cannot confidently predict where trade rules will settle.

  • China retains some dependence on exports.
  • Uncertainty transmits the slowdown globally.
  • Companies delay capital expenditure and hiring.
  • Supply-chain placement becomes harder to plan.

“it's slowing everybody down through uh somewhat different channel, which is uncertainty”

Michael Spence · 26:42

“where where are we supposed to put our supply chains?”

Michael Spence · 27:08
#trade war#tariffs#investment#supply chains
Explainer37:51

The Two Inequalities: Outcomes and a Fair Shot

Spence separates unequal outcomes from unequal opportunity. People may accept different incomes, but extreme inequality can deny poorer households the resources required to reach the starting line, making the opportunity gap self-reinforcing.

  • Ex-post inequality describes actual outcomes.
  • Equality of opportunity concerns access to a fair starting position.
  • Extreme income inequality can block investment in education and mobility.
  • Outcome inequality and opportunity inequality are connected.

“There's what economists call x post that's what actually happened.”

Michael Spence · 37:53

“if the income in equality gets sufficiently extreme, then the lower end of the spectrum doesn't have the resources to invest in getting to that…”

Michael Spence · 38:27
#inequality#opportunity#mobility
Explainer40:46

The Real Elite-College Advantage May Be the Network

Spence questions whether education alone explains the intense pressure to enter a small group of elite institutions. Their additional value may be access to influential professional networks, which becomes socially troubling if outsiders cannot reach top opportunities through merit.

  • Elite institutions provide education, signaling, and networks.
  • Network access may motivate extreme admissions pressure.
  • Closed networks can weaken meritocracy.
  • The concern is unequal access to influential jobs and opportunities.

“So one of the benefits you get from going to these schools is the education and the signal the others the network of course”

Michael Spence · 40:50

“you don't want to think that, uh, if you're out of any of those networks or all of them, that the meritocracy has failed”

Michael Spence · 41:31
#education#networks#meritocracy#signaling
Explainer48:59

Digitalization, Emerging Power, and Nationalism Are Colliding

Digital transformation can generate inclusive growth but also difficult employment transitions. At the same time, emerging economies are making global governance more heterogeneous, while nationalism pushes against institutions and openness built during the postwar period.

  • Digital technology creates opportunities and disruptive transitions.
  • Emerging economies are shifting governance from the G7 toward the G20.
  • More heterogeneous governance makes agreement harder.
  • Nationalist reactions could dismantle valuable parts of the open economy.

“the governance structure of the global economy, which for many many years was essentially the G seven in terms of priorities, this isn't to work…”

Michael Spence · 49:48

“this is a world I would say that has more centrifugal forces and more tensions than that I can remember for a long time.”

Michael Spence · 51:32
#digitalization#global governance#nationalism#g20
Explainer1:12:44

Why Technological Change Can Suddenly Break Economic Models

Economic theories simplify reality by leaving stable background conditions implicit. When technology sharply changes a hidden parameter such as transaction costs or network structure, models can stop describing the economy accurately, forcing economists to build new conceptual structures.

  • Useful theories deliberately simplify reality.
  • Stable parameters often remain implicit in models.
  • Technological shifts can abruptly change those hidden parameters.
  • Transaction costs and network structures now require greater attention.
  • New economic concepts are still being developed.

“economic theory always involves simplification, right”

Michael Spence · 1:12:44

“And then every once in a while something comes along and changes them, and then the models aren't okay because the parameters aren't visible, right.”

Michael Spence · 1:13:07
#economic theory#transaction costs#networks#models

Story· 1

Story18:41

How Transaction Data Opened Credit to 17 Million Tiny Businesses

Digital payment platforms can infer creditworthiness from transaction, payment, and online histories when traditional banks lack collateral or affordable underwriting methods. Spence points to MyBank's use of Alibaba-related data to serve millions of very small businesses previously limited to family-and-friend borrowing.

  • Low-cost digital data can reduce lending information gaps.
  • Transaction histories can substitute partly for collateral.
  • Traditional underwriting is often too expensive for tiny loans.
  • Better information creates an entirely new credit market.

“this information effectively creates a whole new mark, creates a whole new market.”

Michael Spence · 19:28

“my bank has seventeen million small business customers. Uh average number of employees five, no collateral, nothing.”

Michael Spence · 19:33
#fintech#credit#small business#data

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway1:05:26

A Culture That Penalizes Failure Kills Innovation

Research and entrepreneurship necessarily generate dead ends, making the treatment of failure economically important. Silicon Valley's willingness to accept the right kind of failure encourages experimentation, while punitive cultures suppress entrepreneurial risk-taking and dynamism.

  • Research produces many informative dead ends.
  • Failure can generate useful learning.
  • Venture capitalists may value entrepreneurs with relevant failed attempts.
  • Punitive failure cultures suppress innovation.

“a culture that penalizes it will kill entrepreneurship and innovation.”

Michael Spence · 1:06:15

“the venture capitalists like entrepreneurs that had a failure, provided it was the right kind of failure.”

Michael Spence · 1:06:25
#failure#innovation#entrepreneurship#culture
Takeaway1:10:56

Treat a Career as an Experiment, Not a Predetermined Plan

Spence advises young people to test academia or economics without deciding the outcome in advance. Beyond a limited horizon, following interesting work and enjoying the process may produce a better vocation than rigidly optimizing toward a distant goal.

  • Try a field before deciding whether it fits.
  • Experiment without predetermining the outcome.
  • Avoid excessive long-range career planning.
  • Follow work that remains genuinely interesting.
  • Value the daily process, family life, and vocation.

“you just don't know, so you've got to experiment.”

Michael Spence · 1:11:10

“Happy people are not you know, not achieving some goal, but enjoying the process of getting there, doing something they love every morning.”

Michael Spence · 1:11:43
#career#experimentation#vocation#purpose