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05 April 2019

Michael Lewis Discusses the Culture of Finance (Podcast)

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster36:03

NBA Referees Improved Even as Trust in Them Collapsed

Lewis says NBA officiating has become more professional, diverse, trained, reviewed, and accurate, yet conflict with players and fans has intensified. Video technology exposes every mistake, while reduced favoritism angers stars and teams accustomed to receiving favorable calls.

  • Modern referees receive formal training and postgame review
  • Replay systems correct a small number of calls
  • Officials have been studied for racial and home-court bias
  • Home-court advantage has declined alongside reduced officiating bias
  • Greater accuracy has not produced greater trust

“There's no way that referee is not more accurate than the referee of twenty thirty years.”

Michael Lewis · 37:26

“Nobody trusts the rests anymore.”

Michael Lewis · 53:07
#nba#referees#trust#technology#bias
Myth Buster1:28:11

The Smartest People on Wall Street Did Not Know What They Were Doing

Lewis says he left Salomon Brothers believing senior traders possessed mystical knowledge unavailable to him. The financial crisis shattered that belief by exposing firms making crude, one-directional bets on subprime mortgages and being managed far less competently than their authority implied.

  • Institutional status created an illusion of superior knowledge
  • Major firms converged on similar subprime exposure
  • The crisis revealed basic failures of risk management
  • Lewis later saw his initial ignorance as useful rather than disqualifying

“even the smart people on Wall Street didn't really know what they were doing.”

Michael Lewis · 1:28:11

“my ignorance has been a huge advantage to me.”

Michael Lewis · 1:29:58
#wall street#financial crisis#expertise#risk

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take40:57

Why Inequality Makes Every Referee's Job Harder

Lewis proposes that refereeing becomes harder when the parties have sharply unequal power, wealth, or status. Technology adds pressure by broadcasting errors and allowing aggrieved groups to organize, while institutions have not created an equally strong force to protect independent adjudicators.

  • Balanced parties are easier to referee than unequal ones
  • Powerful participants can apply disproportionate pressure
  • Technology makes errors permanent and widely visible
  • Online coordination amplifies outrage
  • Protective institutions have not kept pace with attacks

“My pet thesis is referees have a harder time the more unequal the environment there.”

Michael Lewis · 41:40

“the forces that are there to assault the referee have gotten stronger and stronger and stronger, and there's no there's no counterbalancing force.”

Michael Lewis · 42:31
#inequality#referees#fairness#technology#institutions

Explainer· 3

Explainer11:32

Why Honest Stories Must Leave Room for Misunderstanding

Lewis argues that strong narrative cannot dictate a single moral without becoming tedious. By presenting characters and events honestly rather than writing a moralistic diatribe, an author leaves interpretive space in which different readers will emphasize different parts of the same story.

  • Overt moralizing can make a story tedious
  • Ten people can hear ten different versions of the same story
  • Reader participation requires interpretive gaps
  • Humor and detachment helped Liar's Poker support conflicting readings

“if a book is any good, it has the capacity to be misunderstood”

Michael Lewis · 11:53

“You tell ten people the same story, and they hear ten different stories”

Michael Lewis · 12:27
#storytelling#writing#interpretation#narrative
Explainer22:33

Why Private Weather Forecasts Depend on Public Infrastructure

Commercial weather services build on observations, radar, satellites, and models funded by taxpayers and supplied by government. Lewis argues that open access supports both public safety and private innovation, while restricting the data would protect incumbents and prevent new analysts from discovering better forecasting methods.

  • Government collects the foundational weather data
  • Private companies add their own forecasting refinements
  • Open access allows outsiders to discover new patterns
  • Commercial providers could not independently reproduce the full public system
  • Weather infrastructure functions as a public good

“you know where do you think ACU weather gets its weather? It gets it from us.”

Michael Lewis · 23:07

“But it's a kind of like an open source thing that everybody has to have access to this”

Michael Lewis · 24:03
#weather#public data#government#innovation
Explainer27:49

The Long-Term Research Gap Markets Leave Government to Fill

Lewis describes government as a funder of scientific work whose payoff is too distant for contemporary corporations. Department of Energy support contributed to fracking, solar power, and Tesla's manufacturing, illustrating how public investment can absorb timelines and risks that private capital avoids.

  • Corporate research concentrates on nearer-term returns
  • Government funding supported foundational energy technologies
  • Public loan programs can resemble patient venture capital
  • Long-duration research creates benefits well beyond the original project
  • Public investment becomes more important as corporations abandon research labs

“if there's research that will pay in two or three years, the corporations will fund it”

Michael Lewis · 28:50

“the markets have encouraged are discouraged long term that kind of long term investment would be. The government is even more important.”

Michael Lewis · 29:07
#research#innovation#government#energy#patient capital

Story· 4

Story06:41

Why Michael Lewis Left Wall Street Before the Money Trapped Him

Lewis explains why he rejected advice to spend another decade getting rich before becoming a writer. He feared that higher spending, status, and dependence on compensation would extinguish his willingness to leave, while repetitive work was already becoming intellectually deadening.

  • Lewis waited for his bonus but had mentally committed to leaving
  • Senior colleagues and his father urged him to remain in finance
  • He saw expensive lifestyles turning compensation into golden handcuffs
  • Learning slowed after his first year and a half
  • He feared becoming too dependent on money and status to change careers

“you got so needful of the money and the position in the status. I was afraid I would become that and I wouldn't I lose…”

Michael Lewis · 08:13

“the golden handcuffs with that obvious people had levered up their mortgages”

Michael Lewis · 08:28
#wall street#career change#golden handcuffs#writing
Story09:20

How Readers Turned Liar's Poker Into a Wall Street Manual

Lewis expected young readers to recognize Wall Street's absurdity and avoid it unless finance genuinely interested them. Instead, students treated the book as a guide to getting ahead, demonstrating how audiences can impose motives and meanings an author never intended.

  • Lewis considered Wall Street preposterous rather than simply evil
  • He wanted talented people to resist being diverted by compensation
  • Students asked him for omitted secrets that could accelerate their careers
  • The cautionary account became a recruitment tool

“I thought it was preposterous, Okay.”

Michael Lewis · 09:53

“So it became a how to manual.”

Michael Lewis · 11:29
#liars poker#wall street#readers#authorial intent
Story16:07

The Abandoned Government Briefings Behind The Fifth Risk

Rick Perry's appointment prompted Lewis to investigate what the Department of Energy actually does. He found that the outgoing administration had prepared extensive operational briefings, but the incoming transition team largely failed to receive knowledge covering nuclear weapons, disease response, and other critical responsibilities.

  • Perry had previously proposed eliminating the department
  • The Department of Energy primarily manages nuclear and scientific responsibilities
  • Roughly a thousand officials spent six months preparing transition material
  • The incoming administration failed to collect much of that institutional knowledge
  • Lewis sought out briefings that intended officials never heard

“the Trump administration Trump had fired his entire transition team moments after the election.”

Michael Lewis · 18:15

“I'm gonna go get these briefings. I'm gonna go hear these things that they didn't bother hearing”

Michael Lewis · 18:25
#government#transition#department of energy#fifth risk
Story1:01:24

How Kahneman and Tversky Made One Plus One Equal Three

Lewis frames The Undoing Project as a platonic love story about two unusually complementary minds. Their intense, joyful collaboration generated work neither could have produced independently and gave a human narrative to ideas that might otherwise have remained an academic history.

  • Each psychologist was a compelling character independently
  • Their intellectual fit produced a greater combined force
  • Their collaboration was marked by long private sessions and laughter
  • Israeli academic life kept their ideas connected to practical society
  • The relationship supplied the book's narrative center

“it's just about the power of collaboration, to which two minds can do together when they really fit together.”

Michael Lewis · 1:01:49

“One plus one is three.”

Michael Lewis · 1:01:57
#collaboration#kahneman#tversky#psychology

Tool· 1

Tool1:19:22

Michael Lewis's Low-Attention Investment Portfolio

Lewis keeps investing deliberately simple because he wants to spend little time thinking about money. His stock exposure is concentrated in index funds or Berkshire Hathaway, supplemented by California municipal bonds and cash.

  • He begins with broad asset allocation
  • Stock exposure uses index funds or Berkshire Hathaway
  • Roughly ten percent is described as California municipal bonds
  • The remainder includes cash or bond-like holdings
  • Simplicity reduces the time and attention consumed by investing

“I do like to spend as little time as possible thinking about money.”

Michael Lewis · 1:19:26

“the stock market stuff is either index funds or Berkshire Hathaway.”

Michael Lewis · 1:19:57
#investing#asset allocation#index funds#berkshire hathaway

Takeaway· 3

Takeaway44:53

Why Audio Can Change Minds That Print Cannot Reach

Producing Against the Rules showed Lewis that a person's audible voice communicates credibility and suffering that quotations on a page may not preserve. Hearing the indebted teacher directly made it harder to dismiss her as lazy or fraudulent, giving narrative audio unusual power to challenge prejudice.

  • Tone and delivery carry information absent from printed quotations
  • First-person audio can establish credibility more directly
  • Voice can bypass preconceived stereotypes
  • Lewis believes podcasts may persuade audiences his books do not

“When you hear what someone sounds like, you learn a lot.”

Michael Lewis · 45:12

“I think this form can change minds.”

Michael Lewis · 46:10
#podcasting#audio#persuasion#storytelling
Takeaway1:05:35

Seeing Luck Clearly Can Make Success More Satisfying

Lewis argues that people reconstruct success as inevitable and understate how many outcomes were possible. Acknowledging chance need not diminish accomplishment; it can produce gratitude by showing how differently events could have unfolded.

  • People create deterministic stories after uncertain events
  • Success can make people less willing to acknowledge chance
  • Life contains many unrealized possible paths
  • Recognizing favorable luck creates something to be grateful for
  • Gratitude may contribute more to happiness than total self-credit

“life isn't a point, it's a cloud of possibilities”

Michael Lewis · 1:05:50

“if you just think you did it all yourself, you have nothing to be grateful for.”

Michael Lewis · 1:06:48
#luck#gratitude#success#probability#happiness
Takeaway1:23:38

Why Lewis Spends on Experiences Instead of Things

Lewis describes an active life built around hiking, cycling, tennis, travel, and annual wilderness trips with friends rather than collecting possessions. He agrees with research suggesting that experiences generate more durable happiness than material accumulation.

  • His leisure compensates for the sedentary nature of writing
  • An annual wilderness trip is a highlight of his year
  • He has little interest in collecting books, cars, or other objects
  • Experiences consistently make him happier than possessions

“Stuff doesn't make me happy.”

Michael Lewis · 1:25:14

“if you want happiness, spend your money on experiences. Don't you spend your money on junk?”

Barry Ritholtz · 1:25:03
#happiness#experiences#leisure#relationships