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Michael Fisch01 December 2023

Michael Fisch on Private Equity Funds

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster42:10

A Bankruptcy Can Hide a Good Company With a Bad Balance Sheet

American Securities generally avoids distressed investments, but Fisch distinguishes an impaired business from a sound company carrying excessive debt. If market leadership, margins, stability, tailwinds, and management remain intact, restructuring the balance sheet can restore a viable enterprise.

  • The firm usually avoids bankruptcy and distressed strategies
  • Operational quality and financial structure should be assessed separately
  • A strong company can fail because it carries too much debt
  • New capital can leave the reorganized company with an appropriate balance sheet

“good company, bad balance sheet.”

Michael Fisch · 42:43

“it just had too much debt.”

Michael Fisch · 42:54
#bankruptcy#distressed assets#balance sheet#restructuring
Myth Buster49:00

Stable Deal Prices Can Conceal a Much Weaker Market

Private equity deal volume had fallen roughly 50%, yet completed transactions still appeared close to prior prices. The apparent resilience is partly selection bias: stronger companies sell, while blemished assets remain absent from the transaction data.

  • New investments and exits were both down
  • Completed-deal prices remained comparatively resilient
  • Better companies dominate the smaller pool of completed transactions
  • Observed multiples understate the quality-adjusted decline
  • Unclosed deals are invisible in market averages

“deal volume is about half of what it was two years ago.”

Michael Fisch · 49:11

“The multiple drop is a little more than shown in the numbers quality adjusted.”

Michael Fisch · 50:30
#deal volume#survivorship bias#valuations#m&a

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take50:52

Why Unsexy Industrials Can Offer Attractive Investment Stability

Fisch favors industrial companies because their established operations can be investigated deeply across manufacturing, sourcing, customers, and competitors. That visibility supports risk-adjusted underwriting built on existing capabilities rather than a venture-style assumption that demand will emerge later.

  • Industrials represented about 60% of the firm's historical investments
  • The US industrial base grew faster than overall GDP over the cited period
  • Manufacturing and purchasing processes can be compared with competitors
  • Market leaders provide insight into customer and industry behavior
  • Established operations offer a different risk profile from build-it-and-they-will-come ventures

“we need our industrial base”

Michael Fisch · 51:53

“We're looking at what is and what can continue to be the case, and how might we be able to help management make it better.”

Michael Fisch · 53:23
#industrials#due diligence#manufacturing#risk adjusted returns

Explainer· 7

Explainer06:43

How Private Equity Grew From a Sub-$1 Billion Niche

Fisch recalls an institutional private equity market that was extraordinarily small in 1983, with KKR's $175 million fund then the world's largest. He explains how bootstrap buyers and wealthy families helped turn a nascent LBO practice into today's private equity industry.

  • Global institutional private equity had less than $1 billion of committed capital in 1983
  • KKR's $175 million fund was then the largest
  • Bootstrap buyers evaluated cash flow differently from public companies
  • The once-small niche became a massive industry

“the entire global institutional private equity business was less than a billion dollars of committed capital.”

Michael Fisch · 07:09

“this, you know, little side niche has become so huge is really shocking to me.”

Michael Fisch · 1:02:02
#private equity#lbo#industry history#wall street
Explainer24:20

Platform Investments Versus Add-On Acquisitions

Fisch defines a platform as the first major investment in a company, usually with the private equity firm taking control while management also invests. Add-ons are later acquisitions folded into that platform to expand scale, enter adjacent markets, or create operating synergies.

  • A platform is the initial major investment in a company
  • The private equity firm usually owns a controlling stake
  • Management remains an investor
  • Add-ons can acquire competitors or adjacent businesses
  • Some platforms grow organically without acquisitions

“a platform investment for us is really the first big investment.”

Michael Fisch · 24:42

“the add ons are all about building the existing business”

Michael Fisch · 30:37
#platform investment#add-on acquisitions#buyouts#m&a
Explainer32:04

How Five Percentage Points of Rates Reshape Company Cash Flow

Fisch illustrates the move from roughly 6.25% to 10.25% borrowing costs and combines it with inflation-driven inventory needs and supply-chain delays. Even a stable or growing business can face a cash squeeze when debt service and working capital rise together.

  • Senior borrowing costs rose by roughly four percentage points in the example
  • Floating-rate debt transmits rate increases directly to borrowers
  • Inflation requires more cash to finance the same inventory volume
  • Supply delays can force companies to hold more units
  • Liquidity planning matters even when revenue is stable or growing

“instead of paying six dollars and twenty five cents, you're now paying ten dollars and twenty five cents in interest.”

Michael Fisch · 33:35

“even companies that are flat or growing can have cash flow problems if they didn't plan to have enough liquidity.”

Michael Fisch · 34:42
#interest rates#cash flow#working capital#liquidity
Explainer35:18

Fixed Debt, Floating Debt, and the Expiring-Hedge Problem

Refinancing during a low-rate period did not necessarily lock in cheap funding because much private-company debt remained floating rate. Fixed-rate bonds provided insulation, while temporary hedges only delayed the impact until they expired.

  • Refinancing does not eliminate rate risk when the new debt floats
  • Fixed-rate debt insulates borrowers through its term
  • Hedges are commonly practical for only two or three years
  • Companies face a payment jump when floating-rate hedges expire

“did you issue fixed rate debt or floating”

Michael Fisch · 35:50

“When your hedge runs out, it's gonna be ten and a quarter if rates stay the same as they are today.”

Michael Fisch · 36:10
#debt#fixed rates#floating rates#hedging
Explainer37:45

The Two Ways Higher Rates Constrain Buyout Valuations

Private-company values face pressure from both reduced debt capacity and increased interest expense. A buyer that can borrow only five times EBITDA instead of six or more must contribute additional equity while also accepting lower post-interest cash flow.

  • Debt capacity fell from roughly six to 6.5 times EBITDA toward five times for strong companies
  • More equity is required when lenders provide less debt
  • Higher interest expense reduces available cash flow
  • Flat or modest earnings growth may not offset both pressures

“Now that six and a half is more like five for a good company”

Michael Fisch · 38:16

“those two things constrain value”

Michael Fisch · 39:12
#valuation#leverage#ebitda#interest rates
Explainer44:22

Why Successful Private Equity Portfolios Become Overallocated

Institutional investors target a percentage allocation to private equity, but that percentage rises when private holdings appreciate or public assets decline. Fisch calls these the numerator and denominator effects, which can force institutions to slow new commitments despite strong performance.

  • Private-asset appreciation increases the numerator of the allocation ratio
  • Public-market declines shrink the denominator
  • Either force can push an institution above its target allocation
  • Overallocated investors may pause new private equity commitments

“They're called the numerator and the denominator effect.”

Michael Fisch · 45:31

“That has caused some institutions to slow down their commitments to private equity to get those back in balance”

Michael Fisch · 45:37
#asset allocation#private equity#institutional investors#portfolio management
Explainer45:56

Why Private Equity Marks Arrive Late—but Aren't Necessarily Fake

Private equity firms value holdings quarterly rather than continuously, and collecting company data creates an inherent reporting delay. Fisch argues that SEC oversight, annual audit scrutiny, and sophisticated investors make marks broadly credible, while much criticism confuses stale valuation dates with inaccurate valuation work.

  • Registered US private equity firms value holdings every quarter
  • Annual audits typically examine those valuations
  • Quarter-end values may reach investors about 45 days later
  • Private marks lack a definitive market test until an asset is sold
  • A lagged mark should not reflect market movements occurring after its valuation date

“all private equity firms value their holdings every quarter”

Michael Fisch · 46:19

“In general, it's very real. The sec comes in, looks at it, the auditors bless it”

Michael Fisch · 47:37
#private markets#valuation marks#sec#reporting lag

Story· 2

Story10:10

The Rosenwald Family's Role in Founding American Securities

Fisch traces American Securities to the Rosenwald fortune created through Sears and to Chuck Klein, the family's senior financial adviser. Fisch proposed forming a private equity firm with Klein and the family as lead investor, then spent a year investing with them before raising the first fund.

  • The modern firm grew from the Rosenwald family office
  • Chuck Klein initially asked Fisch to join him as a successor
  • Fisch countered with a proposal to become partners
  • The family became the lead investor in the new private equity fund

“You be my partner. We'll set up a private equity firm, and the Rosewold family will be our lead investor, and that's what I want…”

Michael Fisch · 12:41

“we raised our private equity fund the next year.”

Michael Fisch · 13:17
#american securities#rosenwald family#founding story#sears
Story13:21

Why Sears Was the Amazon and Walmart of Its Era

The conversation revisits Sears as a dominant national retailer rather than the diminished brand younger listeners may remember. Its department stores captured urbanization, while its catalog gave households nationwide access to the same goods available in major cities.

  • Sears held roughly one-third share in some US product categories
  • Department stores capitalized on American urbanization
  • The catalog democratized nationwide access to consumer goods
  • Sears later failed to pivot despite its historic dominance

“Sears was the Amazon of its time.”

Barry Ritholtz · 13:33

“They had a one third market share of certain product sales in the entire country.”

Michael Fisch · 13:57
#sears#retail history#catalog commerce#disruption

Takeaway· 3

Takeaway25:45

Why Founder-CEOs Are Especially Choosy About Private Equity

Nearly half the companies in American Securities' recent fund were bought from founders who stayed as CEO, often retaining a large personal investment. Fisch argues that founders scrutinize partners carefully because their identity, operating responsibility, and wealth remain tied to the company.

  • Many founders continue as CEO after selling control
  • Founders often roll substantial proceeds into the new structure
  • Their company, role, and personal capital remain at stake
  • Operating resources beyond money can make an investor more attractive

“I like to think of those as very choosy investors.”

Michael Fisch · 26:09

“they really care about their company because they're going to maintain a very big personal investment.”

Michael Fisch · 26:18
#founders#management rollover#alignment#private equity
Takeaway54:29

How Safety and Efficiency Turn ESG Into Operating Performance

Fisch connects environmental, social, and governance work to business outcomes rather than treating it solely as branding. Energy efficiency reduces waste, employee safety protects people and operations, and every portfolio company's monthly reporting begins with safety.

  • The firm gives a fixed percentage of annual profits to charity
  • Environmental efficiency can reduce costs and support EBITDA growth
  • Employee safety is treated as the first operating priority
  • Stewardship and profitability can reinforce one another

“Environmental, social and governance factors we think are not only good for the planet, but they enable ebitt the a growth.”

Michael Fisch · 55:24

“every monthly book from every one of our companies for years and years and years, starts with safety.”

Michael Fisch · 55:45
#esg#safety#efficiency#corporate stewardship
Takeaway1:00:32

Choose a Career by Testing the Work and the People

Fisch advises graduates to look beyond industry hype and investigate what practitioners actually do every day. A sustainable career requires enjoying both the underlying tasks and the people with whom those tasks are performed.

  • Do not choose an industry because it is fashionable
  • Try the actual work before committing
  • Study what junior and senior practitioners do
  • Private equity requires comfort with modeling and numbers
  • Good colleagues support learning, growth, and happiness

“the two most important things for a career in anything is do you like the work? And do you like the people?”

Michael Fisch · 1:00:41

“Don't get caught up in the hype.”

Michael Fisch · 1:00:49
#career advice#private equity careers#workplace culture#self knowledge