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Matthew Benkendorf10 January 2020

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Myth Buster· 3

Myth Buster19:42

Buy and Hold Fails When the Business Is Mean-Reverting

Benkendorf rejects buy-and-hold as a universal rule. Commodity and lower-quality businesses often require accurate entry and exit timing, while durable businesses with long growth runways can be held through downturns and potentially purchased more aggressively when prices fall.

  • Mean-reverting businesses can punish indiscriminate holding
  • Commodity economics often demand buying low and selling high
  • Durable earnings growth supports genuine long-term ownership
  • Market downturns can create opportunities in resilient companies

“So the buy and hold strategy actually, as it's sort of taught and sold. If you have the wrong businesses, it shouldn't be aplical.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 21:12

“Those type businesses one you can hold onto and sleep well, but two you should add to them because the market is starting to give…”

Matthew Benkendorf · 21:31
#buy and hold#cyclicality#earnings#quality
Myth Buster34:28

A Cheap P/E Is Dangerous When the E Can Disappear

Late in an economic cycle, apparently cheap companies often carry substantial cyclicality. If earnings collapse, the valuation that looked inexpensive can prove costly, making predictable earnings a central component of defensible valuation.

  • Relative cheapness often accompanies greater cyclicality
  • A low multiple depends on the reliability of earnings
  • Falling earnings can turn an apparent bargain into an overpayment
  • Predictable earnings permit a more useful estimate of value

“the danger in investing when you look at a p that might look relatively cheaper, but the E disappears.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 35:07

“you thought you underpaid, but you ended up overpaying because your E wasn't predictable and disappeared”

Matthew Benkendorf · 35:15
#valuation#earnings#cyclicality#value investing
Myth Buster47:28

Buy Emerging Markets for the Businesses, Not the Growth Story

The usual emerging-markets pitch emphasizes demographics, rising consumption, and GDP growth—the sizzle. Benkendorf argues that investors should instead seek distinctive, high-quality businesses unavailable in developed markets, especially because economic growth and stock returns are not reliably correlated.

  • Demographic narratives can obscure investment fundamentals
  • GDP growth does not reliably determine stock returns
  • China and India drove much of the emerging-market growth story
  • Some emerging-market business models have no developed-market equivalent
  • Company selection matters more than regional storytelling

“So if you bought the sizzle, you've been disappointed.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 49:03

“go to emerging markets for the steak, not the sizzle.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 49:33
#emerging markets#gdp#stock selection#business quality

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take22:39

Most Active Managers Do Not Deserve a Defense

Benkendorf views the pressure on active management as overdue competitive discipline rather than an industry tragedy. Managers unable to add value should leave the field, while technological innovation and lower-cost passive products are legitimate benefits for investors.

  • Most active managers have failed to add value
  • Industry disruption corrects decades of complacency
  • Performance should determine who remains competitive
  • Cheaper passive vehicles are a genuine innovation

“I don't think I should defend most active managers, right because I think the numbers are what they are.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 22:57

“if you can't deliver, you shouldn't be there.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 23:59
#active management#passive investing#fees#competition
Hot Take24:05

Did Predictable Fed Policy Give Passive Investing a Tailwind?

Benkendorf suggests that the shift toward passive investing was aided not only by cost and technology but also by unusually predictable monetary policy. Extended certainty around near-zero rates created a favorable backdrop for broad market exposure, whereas normal uncertainty may increase the value of selectivity.

  • Cost and technology do not fully explain passive flows
  • Near-zero rates came with unusual policy visibility
  • Predictable liquidity conditions favored broad market exposure
  • Some uncertainty is a normal feature of monetary policy

“That's a pretty good backdrop for passive.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 25:43

“There should be a little bit of uncertainty, is it going up down? Staying the same?”

Matthew Benkendorf · 26:07
#monetary policy#passive investing#federal reserve#rates
Hot Take41:32

The Two Long-Term Binary Risks Benkendorf Watches

Benkendorf is less concerned with routine cycles than with regime-changing risks. He highlights the eventual consequences of extreme monetary policy and the possibility that the world fractures into competing Western and Chinese economic spheres with incompatible rules.

  • Extreme monetary policy is unlikely to provide a free lunch
  • Successful inflation creation could damage bondholders
  • The world may split into competing economic spheres
  • Countries could be forced to choose between different rule systems
  • Structural fragmentation could reduce collective prosperity

“there will be a payback for the negative interest rate environment”

Matthew Benkendorf · 41:59

“the reality is we're fracturing.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 44:49
#negative rates#inflation#geopolitics#deglobalization

Explainer· 2

Explainer16:08

A Manager’s Job Is to Help Clients Realize the Returns

Reported performance is only half the job because investors can destroy their own outcomes by entering and exiting at the wrong times. Benkendorf says managers must educate clients before investment and maintain transparency and communication through inevitable periods of underperformance.

  • Paper returns differ from investor-realized returns
  • Long-term outperformance requires shorter periods of underperformance
  • Client fit should be established before capital is accepted
  • Transparency and communication help investors remain committed
  • A smoother ride can reduce destructive timing decisions

“For great long term out performance, you have to absolutely underperform in certain certain shorter periods.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 17:09

“not just to put the returns on the paper, but to keep the person on the bus over that journey.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 18:03
#client behavior#communication#returns#asset management
Explainer35:57

Why Five- and Ten-Year Earnings Matter More Than Next Year’s P/E

Investors are naturally attracted to deals, but superior businesses can deserve higher prices when their earnings remain durable far into the future. Benkendorf argues that conventional valuation is often too myopic because it focuses on current or next-year multiples while missing the embedded value of a long growth runway.

  • Better businesses can rationally command premiums
  • Near-term P/E measures provide an incomplete valuation
  • Five- and ten-year earnings power can dominate present value
  • The valuable part of a compounder may lie deep in its growth tail

“you get what you pay for in life, very much so in investing.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 36:21

“You need that E five and ten years out.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 37:08
#valuation#long term#earnings growth#compounding

Tool· 1

Tool1:10:44

Use History to Escape the Frenzy of the Present

Benkendorf reads biographies and history to place modern political and market turmoil in perspective. Studying periods such as the Great Depression and World War II reveals recurring patterns in human behavior and helps investors avoid treating every contemporary crisis as unprecedented.

  • Historical perspective reduces sensitivity to current headlines
  • Past crises reveal recurring rhythms in human behavior
  • Terrible news environments can still offer long-term opportunities
  • Reading creates space for slower and more thoughtful judgment

“why I read history is this element of perspective, getting out of the frenzy and flurry”

Matthew Benkendorf · 1:11:06

“for the long term, it's always a good time to invest.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 1:12:08
#history#perspective#investor psychology#reading

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway09:14

Why Investment Discipline Resembles Sticking to a Diet

Benkendorf argues that investors usually know the broad ingredients of sensible investing, just as people understand the basics of healthy living. The decisive advantage comes from managing behavior and consistently following a business-centered process rather than reacting to forecasts and market noise.

  • Knowledge alone does not produce good investment outcomes
  • Discipline determines whether a sound process is followed
  • Top-down prediction appeals to human nature but is unreliable
  • Investors should center decisions on underlying businesses

“one of the greatest advantages in investing is typically behavior management”

Matthew Benkendorf · 09:24

“investing I think is very similar to that. It comes down to discipline.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 09:53
#behavior#discipline#investing#psychology
Takeaway1:20:11

Young Investors Should Learn How Market Plumbing Works

Benkendorf says investment education often skips operational foundations and rushes students toward analysis and portfolio decisions. Understanding trading, settlement, and market mechanics provides essential context as those systems become increasingly important to investment outcomes.

  • Formal education often overlooks market operations
  • Trading and settlement mechanics shape real investment activity
  • Operational knowledge creates a stronger analytical foundation
  • People tend to jump to headline problems before understanding systems

“to know how the plumbing works, right, the plumbing is becoming even more important.”

Matthew Benkendorf · 1:20:33

“have that foundation of how things work first”

Matthew Benkendorf · 1:20:56
#market structure#finance careers#operations#education