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Mario Giannini30 October 2020

Mario Giannini on the Art of Investing (Podcast)

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster07:16

Why IRR Is Not Inherently Misleading

Giannini argues that criticism of IRR often ignores the irregular timing of private-equity cash flows. IRR addresses capital being called and invested over time, but investors should still compare it with time-weighted returns and other measures.

  • Private-equity commitments are not invested all at once.
  • IRR accounts for the timing of cash flows.
  • IRR becomes problematic when treated as the only measure.
  • Multiple performance measures improve cross-asset comparisons.

“It is one measure.”

Mario Giannini · 07:51

“if you're using our our alone, it can be a little hard to then compare it to your other asset classes.”

Mario Giannini · 08:32
#irr#performance#private equity

Hot Take· 4

Hot Take22:22

The Pandemic Initially Rewarded Industry Luck, Not Genius

Unlike earlier downturns, the pandemic's first impact was determined largely by industry exposure rather than leverage, management quality, or obvious prior mistakes. Only after the initial shock did companies' ability to adapt begin differentiating performance.

  • Earlier downturns exposed identifiable financial or managerial mistakes.
  • Pandemic outcomes initially depended heavily on industry.
  • Hotels, restaurants, and travel were impaired regardless of foresight.
  • Adaptability mattered more after the first shock.

“If you were in the right industry, you did well. If you were in the wrong industry, you did poorly.”

Mario Giannini · 23:42

“that initial shock to the company, or that initial boost to the company had very very little to do with the genius or the lack…”

Mario Giannini · 24:24
#pandemic#downturns#industry risk
Hot Take34:08

Why Today's Private Equity Structures May Fail Retail Investors

Giannini supports broader access in principle but doubts that existing private-equity structures suit ordinary retirement investors. Different cash flows, limited transparency, illiquidity, and the absence of genuine daily pricing could produce poor expectations and painful downturn experiences.

  • Private equity can deliver attractive returns.
  • Its reporting and cash flows differ from public assets.
  • Existing structures may not meet retail expectations.
  • Daily pricing would be synthetic without actual buyers and sellers.
  • A REIT-like legal and regulatory structure may offer a better route.

“we all have to be really careful about assuming that this should be a great four oh one K or retail investment option.”

Mario Giannini · 35:08

“anything you do will be synthetic.”

Mario Giannini · 38:47
#retail investors#transparency#401k#pricing
Hot Take45:27

Why Smaller Meetings Often Beat Advisory Boards

Giannini sees advisory boards as useful for conflicts and transparency but less effective for meaningful feedback and investment-shaping discussion. He believes smaller meetings often produce better information exchange and influence.

  • Advisory boards are valuable for conflict-of-interest oversight.
  • They can improve general-partner transparency.
  • Large formal bodies may provide limited substantive feedback.
  • Smaller meetings can better shape investment decisions.

“I'm not a huge fan of advisory boards, to tell you the truth.”

Mario Giannini · 45:46

“I think the smaller meetings are still more important.”

Mario Giannini · 46:13
#advisory boards#governance#meetings
Hot Take54:15

Why In-Person Work Will Return Faster Than Expected

Giannini argues that lockdown exaggerated predictions about the death of offices and cities. Informal hallway interactions are vital to learning and coordination, while Hamilton Lane's employee surveys suggested enthusiasm for remote work fell after people experienced it continuously.

  • Brief in-person exchanges support learning and coordination.
  • Extended remote work changed employee preferences.
  • Social and leisure activities are likely to rebound strongly.
  • Business travel may remain somewhat lower than before.

“the ability to exchange five minutes in the hallway, UM, is a vital vital to how we operate, how we live, how we learn.”

Mario Giannini · 54:22

“we will return much more quickly to the way we were than anyone anticipates.”

Mario Giannini · 55:05
#remote work#offices#cities#pandemic

Explainer· 4

Explainer05:20

Who Makes the Final Call on Managed Assets?

Giannini distinguishes discretionary assets from advisory relationships by identifying who controls the final investment decision. Hamilton Lane performs similar analysis in both cases, but a discretionary mandate transfers decision authority while an advisory client retains it.

  • Discretionary clients delegate final investment choices.
  • Advisory clients retain the final say.
  • Underlying investment analysis can be the same.
  • Portfolio fit may override an otherwise attractive recommendation.

“the difference is essentially who who controls the final decision.”

Mario Giannini · 05:28

“But the analysis is the same.”

Mario Giannini · 07:13
#asset management#advisory#portfolio construction
Explainer09:12

Why Private Credit Expanded After the Financial Crisis

Low public-credit returns encouraged investors to seek private alternatives, while banks withdrew from lending to smaller companies after the financial crisis. Giannini describes the resulting gap as a large opportunity set for private credit.

  • Public-credit yields pushed investors toward private markets.
  • Private credit often serves smaller companies.
  • Banks retreated from this market after the financial crisis.
  • Higher returns accompany a distinct opportunity set and risk profile.

“it drives you to look at private credit because the returns are so much higher than they are on the public side.”

Mario Giannini · 09:33

“with banks having left that market after the Great Financial Crisis, there's there's just a lot of space for private credit to grow.”

Mario Giannini · 09:55
#private credit#banks#yield
Explainer11:06

The Two Forces Keeping Companies Private

Companies increasingly avoid public markets because public-company compliance is burdensome and private capital has become a credible alternative. Private equity can fund acquisitions, founder liquidity, and shareholder changes that once required bank financing or an IPO.

  • Public ownership adds auditing, financial, and compliance burdens.
  • Executives may prefer to avoid those costs and constraints.
  • Private equity now supplies substantial corporate finance.
  • Companies can raise capital or restructure ownership without going public.

“The first is, the most publicized reason, is the hassle of being public.”

Mario Giannini · 11:14

“you now have a very very credible alternative financing source for some of the things that you would otherwise have to go public ten years…”

Mario Giannini · 11:41
#public markets#private capital#corporate finance
Explainer30:10

How a Hot IPO Market Both Helps and Hurts Private Equity

A strong IPO market creates exit routes, monetization, and competition among potential buyers. It also raises acquisition prices and subjects former portfolio companies to public scrutiny, potentially affecting private equity's broader credibility.

  • IPOs create liquidity and additional exit paths.
  • IPO preparation can attract strategic buyers.
  • Higher public valuations increase buy-side competition.
  • Weak post-IPO performance can damage sponsor credibility.

“The good side is it creates exits.”

Mario Giannini · 30:30

“The bad side of it is twofold.”

Mario Giannini · 31:09
#ipo#exits#valuation#reputation

Story· 1

Story14:00

Why a Private-Markets Firm Chose to Go Public

Hamilton Lane's public listing addressed three strategic needs: employee liquidity, stronger institutional branding, and visible long-term independence. Public ownership gave employees a path to realize equity value while reassuring clients that the firm would not soon be sold.

  • Employee shareholders needed a path to liquidity.
  • A listing strengthened institutional credibility.
  • Public status signaled independence and continuity.
  • Client relationships require confidence over long investment horizons.

“going public is one of the ways you can do that”

Mario Giannini · 15:11

“it tells people you're going to stay independent.”

Mario Giannini · 15:46
#ipo#employee ownership#branding#independence

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway12:23

Private Equity Can No Longer Rely on Leverage Alone

As more capital competes for deals, private equity must create returns by improving companies rather than relying mainly on leverage and cost reduction. Giannini says value creation has shifted toward acquisitions, operating strategies, company growth, and EBITDA improvement.

  • Competition has reduced easy financial-engineering returns.
  • Firms must make portfolio companies better.
  • Acquisitions and operating improvements are key levers.
  • Operating results now contribute more heavily to returns.

“you need to do something more than just figure out how to lever a company and reduce costs”

Mario Giannini · 13:07

“You got to grow that company.”

Mario Giannini · 13:25
#value creation#operations#buyouts
Takeaway51:51

Do Not Plan a Private-Equity Career as a Straight Line

Giannini advises new graduates to remain open to changing roles and experiences rather than committing to a fixed career sequence. Markets and the world will change, making adaptability more valuable than rigid adherence to an expected path.

  • Fixed career plans underestimate future change.
  • Different roles and experiences create optionality.
  • Markets rarely evolve linearly.
  • Openness can reveal opportunities a rigid plan would miss.

“The markets. The world is going to change over the next five or ten years.”

Mario Giannini · 52:23

“people just need to be way more open to trying different things, doing different things, experiencing different things.”

Mario Giannini · 52:28
#careers#adaptability#private equity