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Lisa Cook14 October 2020

Lisa Cook on Gender and Race in Economics (Podcast)

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster14:18

Why Intellectual Property Rights Alone Cannot Guarantee Innovation

Cook's Russian banking research challenged the conventional idea that protecting intellectual property is sufficient to produce innovation. She observed that inventors also need personal security, confidence that ideas will be protected in practice, and institutions that let them participate in markets.

  • Russian entrepreneurs asked why innovation was not emerging
  • Formal intellectual-property protection may be necessary but insufficient
  • Physical security and institutional trust affect inventive activity
  • Historical evidence can reveal mechanisms obscured in contemporary data

“the conventional wisdom was that if you protected if a country protected intellectual property rights, that was sufficient for innovation to come from”

Lisa Cook · 15:49

“if I were an inventor, I'm not sure i'd feel secure here.”

Lisa Cook · 15:29
#innovation#institutions#russia#intellectual property

Explainer· 5

Explainer08:45

Why Black Women Remain Severely Underrepresented in Economics

An American Economic Association climate survey and Cook's experience directing its summer program exposed both the scale and the mechanisms of exclusion. Respondents reported discrimination involving professional climate, promotion, and pay, while Cook observed too few Black women entering the development pipeline.

  • The climate survey included roughly 9,000 respondents
  • African American women reported extensive efforts to avoid discrimination
  • Cook connected professional climate with recruitment into economics PhD programs
  • Public evidence helped recast isolated complaints as a profession-wide pattern

“We see a pattern, and we see a pattern with respect to pay promotion, UH and and the climate in economics.”

Lisa Cook · 12:43

“it got a conversation started.”

Lisa Cook · 12:07
#economics#diversity#black women#discrimination
Explainer20:48

The Patent Gap That Never Recovered From Its Nineteenth-Century Peak

Cook reports enormous per-capita patenting disparities between African Americans, women, and other inventors. African American patenting peaked in 1899, while Black inventors' team sizes remained small even as patent teams elsewhere expanded dramatically.

  • The cited rates were six patents per million African Americans
  • Women recorded forty patents per million in the comparison
  • All other inventors recorded 235 patents per million
  • African American patenting per capita peaked in 1899
  • Black patent-team size failed to expand with broader industry trends

“eight nine is still the peak year for African American patenting per capita.”

Lisa Cook · 21:31

“white patenting is two orders of magnitude higher, patenting by women is one order of magnitude higher.”

Lisa Cook · 21:43
#patents#innovation gap#race#inventors
Explainer23:38

How Segregation Broke the Networks That Supported Black Inventors

Cook connects the post-1899 decline in African American patenting to escalating violence and the institutionalization of segregation around Plessy v. Ferguson. Segregated libraries, commercial districts, legal offices, manufacturing, and sales channels severed the networks inventors needed to learn, collaborate, produce, and sell.

  • Inventors depended on libraries, patent digests, attorneys, and commercial districts
  • Segregation removed Black inventors from shared knowledge and business networks
  • Some inventors became intermediaries or wholesalers to avoid public-facing discrimination
  • Others stopped operating businesses or inventing altogether

“But all of a sudden that wasn't possible anymore. These commercial districts became all white.”

Lisa Cook · 24:50

“Some of them went out of business altogether and stopped inventing all together.”

Lisa Cook · 25:09
#plessy v ferguson#segregation#innovation#networks
Explainer34:55

How the Pandemic Widened Both Income and Wealth Gaps

Cook explains that the pandemic divided households by stock ownership, occupational exposure, existing wealth, and access to business relief. Black workers were overrepresented in public-facing jobs, while Black-owned businesses reported disproportionate permanent closures and weaker access to PPP funds.

  • Stock-market recovery primarily benefited households that owned stocks
  • Occupational segregation increased Black workers' exposure to COVID-19
  • Black household wealth was already far below white household wealth
  • Black businesses reported elevated closure risk and PPP rejection
  • Current income losses compound future wealth inequality

“It is really driving a serious wedge between those who have income and wealth and those who doubt.”

Lisa Cook · 35:06

“There are fifty white entrepreneurs for every black entrepreneur.”

Lisa Cook · 36:59
#pandemic#wealth inequality#black businesses#ppp
Explainer38:11

Why Caregiving Turned the Pandemic Recession Into a She-Session

Women entered the pandemic already performing a disproportionate share of unpaid household care across occupations and income levels. School and childcare disruption then pushed many women out of paid work, creating lasting risks to earnings and promotion.

  • Women performed more childcare and eldercare before the pandemic
  • School closures intensified unpaid care demands
  • Women disproportionately exited the workforce
  • Labor-force interruptions slow subsequent pay and promotion
  • Childcare support can speed recovery and reduce long-term scarring

“regardless of occupation, regardless of income, they spend a disproportionate amount of time on care of other individuals in the household.”

Lisa Cook · 38:51

“this is going to have lasting scars, leave lasting lasting scars on the labor market”

Lisa Cook · 39:50
#women#caregiving#labor market#pandemic

Story· 3

Story03:05

How Building Soul City Sparked Lisa Cook's Interest in Economics

Cook traces part of her interest in economics to childhood visits to Soul City, North Carolina, where her cousin Floyd McKissick was building a multicultural community from scratch. Watching the project grow led her to think about planning an economy, creating good jobs, and closing the racial wealth gap.

  • Soul City grew from trailers into buildings that housed employers such as IBM
  • The project linked economic planning with racial wealth creation
  • Cook recognized its influence only after later reflection

“And what he had to do was to essentially plan an economy.”

Lisa Cook · 03:52

“How do you how do you plan an economy and how do you try to close the racial wealth gap.”

Lisa Cook · 04:01
#career#soul city#racial wealth gap#economic development
Story22:34

How Garrett Morgan Used Back Channels to Sell His Gas Mask

Inventor Garrett Morgan faced customer cancellations when buyers learned he was African American. To reach the market, he disguised his identity and hired white men to represent his invention, illustrating the extra commercial barriers Black inventors faced beyond creating and patenting products.

  • Southern fire departments canceled orders after learning Morgan was Black
  • Morgan disguised himself to demonstrate the gas mask
  • He hired white men to act as his representatives
  • Consumer discrimination forced Black inventors to build costly back channels

“he had to dress up like a nave of American to be able to display his gas mask.”

Lisa Cook · 22:56

“He used to hire white men to pretend like they were him and go around the country to self his gas mask.”

Lisa Cook · 23:19
#garrett morgan#discrimination#invention#sales
Story26:16

The Tulsa Massacre Left a Measurable Mark on Black Patenting

Cook describes finding an exceptional discontinuity in patent data around the Tulsa race massacre. She argues that the event generated nationwide fear because government failed at every level and Black communities understood that no one was safe.

  • The data contained an exceptional break Cook initially struggled to explain
  • The Tulsa massacre destroyed lives and businesses
  • Government failed locally, at the state level, and federally
  • Fear spread beyond Tulsa and appeared in national patenting behavior

“This was the largest racial massacre in US history and it had an impact on everybody.”

Lisa Cook · 27:02

“it showed up in the data, and I couldn't make it, couldn't make it go away.”

Lisa Cook · 27:57
#tulsa massacre#patents#racial violence#economic history

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway31:08

Claudia Sahm's Model of Accountability and Professional Service

Cook portrays Claudia Sahm as both a critic of economics and a provider of practical support to its members. Sahm uses professional standing to challenge leaders, advocate for people facing harassment, mentor job candidates, and develop mechanisms that address economic problems.

  • Professional credibility can create leverage for institutional criticism
  • Accountability is stronger when paired with concrete problem-solving
  • Mentoring and paper review function as public goods for a profession
  • An ombudsperson gives reported institutional problems an action channel

“She is providing many different public goods for the profession.”

Lisa Cook · 34:08
#claudia sahm#mentorship#accountability#economics profession
Takeaway51:26

Lisa Cook's Advice for Aspiring Economists

Cook advises prospective economists to build preparation without accumulating endless predoctoral programs. She emphasizes one substantive research experience, relationships with professors, broad reading, and a working point of reference for understanding the economy.

  • Consider one predoctoral program or research assistantship
  • Develop relationships with professors
  • Read widely about current economic conditions
  • Use quality journalism, interviews, and podcasts to build context
  • Connect technical study to a real-world frame of reference

“I would say to get as prepared as you can.”

Lisa Cook · 51:33

“I think having a point of reference is critical because I find that many many students don't.”

Lisa Cook · 52:21
#career advice#economics#students#reading