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Joel Greenblatt09 October 2020

Joel Greenblatt on Relative Value Investing (Podcast)

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster22:24

Why Easy Access to Trading Does Not Create Better Investors

Greenblatt welcomes exposure to saving and investing but warns that uninformed speculation is dangerous. Investors who do not understand what they own tend to add money after gains and withdraw after losses, turning even an excellent fund into a poor personal result.

  • Access to markets is not the same as investing skill
  • Emotional investors chase recent performance
  • Poor timing can overwhelm strong fund returns
  • Understanding the investment supports disciplined behavior

“speculating with out knowing what you're doing is not a great idea.”

Joel Greenblatt · 22:59

“Yet the average investor in that fund managed to lose eleven percent by moving in and out at all the wrong time.”

Joel Greenblatt · 23:20
#investor behavior#robinhood#market timing#speculation
Myth Buster47:07

Why Stock Buybacks Only Work When the Price Is Right

Greenblatt rejects blanket claims that buybacks are beneficial or harmful. Their effect depends on whether management repurchases shares below intrinsic value or borrows money to overpay for them.

  • Historical buyback outperformance is only a correlation
  • Repurchases below intrinsic value can create shareholder value
  • Debt-funded repurchases at inflated prices can destroy value
  • Each buyback must be assessed against business value

“there's nothing inherently good or bad with buy backs.”

Joel Greenblatt · 48:05

“It depends what price they pay.”

Joel Greenblatt · 48:40
#buybacks#capital allocation#valuation#management

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take30:20

The Economic Case for Becoming a Skilled-Immigrant Brain Magnet

Greenblatt describes skilled immigrants as an unusually valuable economic resource because they contribute more fiscally than they receive, create jobs, start businesses, and drive productivity. He favors employer-sponsored admission with greater capacity, certainty, a path to permanent residency, and a surcharge that can fund domestic job training.

  • Each skilled immigrant may produce a large positive fiscal contribution
  • Skilled immigrants create additional jobs for existing residents
  • Employer sponsorship directly connects admission to an available job
  • A hiring surcharge could support training for domestic workers
  • A predictable route to a green card would improve competitiveness

“So for every skilled immigrant we take in, they create two jobs for people already here.”

Joel Greenblatt · 31:54

“we should be a brain magnet.”

Joel Greenblatt · 36:05
#immigration#jobs#productivity#entrepreneurship#policy
Hot Take48:47

The Best Platform Businesses Are Not Where the Froth Is

Greenblatt accepts that dominant internet platforms possess extraordinary businesses and hard-to-breach moats. He argues that the greater speculative danger lies among the hundreds of companies priced as though they will become the next Google, Amazon, or Microsoft despite the rarity of such outcomes.

  • Internet economics can create unusually durable competitive moats
  • Dominant platforms may still be reasonably priced relative to their cash flows
  • The largest risk may be imitators priced for implausible success
  • A strong narrative does not establish a durable franchise

“These are moats that are very tough to be”

Joel Greenblatt · 50:07

“there aren't hundreds of companies with that right with them.”

Joel Greenblatt · 46:15
#moats#technology#platforms#market bubbles

Explainer· 1

Explainer24:07

How a Seven-Year Head Start Can Beat Forty Years of Saving

Greenblatt uses a simple comparison to show the power of starting early. Someone investing $2,000 annually for seven years from age nineteen can finish with more at sixty-five than someone who starts seven years later and contributes annually for forty years, assuming the same ten percent return.

  • Time can matter more than the number of contributions
  • Early returns receive decades to compound
  • Financial education is especially valuable before adulthood
  • Small early contributions can have disproportionate lifetime effects

“The the person who started investing at nine teen and only put in seven payments of two thousand ends up earning more money just with…”

Joel Greenblatt · 24:56

“it is a huge advantage to start early”

Joel Greenblatt · 25:29
#compounding#retirement#saving#financial education

Story· 1

Story1:01:37

The Investing Lesson Greenblatt Wishes He Learned Earlier

Greenblatt began with Ben Graham's cigar-butt and net-net approach, then absorbed Buffett's shift toward buying good businesses cheaply. His central lesson after decades of investing is that quality, franchise durability, and long-term growth matter alongside bargain prices.

  • Graham supplied the foundation of bargain investing
  • Buffett added the importance of business quality
  • Long holding periods make franchise strength more important
  • Quality does not justify overpaying

“He said, if I can buy a good business cheap even better, quality matters a lot”

Joel Greenblatt · 1:02:08

“You don't want to overpay for those things”

Joel Greenblatt · 1:02:42
#ben graham#warren buffett#business quality#investing lessons

Q&A· 1

Q&A1:00:29

Should You Build a Career in Asset Management?

Greenblatt advises graduates to enter asset management only if they genuinely love the work. The field can help clients and pay well, but compensation alone is not a sufficient reason to choose it over other socially useful careers.

  • Passion makes demanding investment work sustainable
  • Asset management can help people achieve financial goals
  • High compensation should not be the primary motivation
  • Many other careers offer meaningful ways to contribute

“if you're lucky enough to find something that you're passionate about that you can do for a living, that's a gift.”

Joel Greenblatt · 1:00:38

“If you're doing it for the money, take something else.”

Joel Greenblatt · 1:01:31
#careers#asset management#passion#purpose

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway03:44

What High-Performing Schools Prove About Student Ability

Greenblatt argues that striking results in strong charter and district schools refute the assumption that disadvantaged students lack ability. He attributes success to high expectations, appropriate support, operational flexibility, more instructional time, and persistent adaptation when an approach fails.

  • Disadvantaged students can meet demanding standards
  • High expectations must be paired with effective support
  • Schools need the ability to change practices that are not working
  • Exceptional public schools should be studied rather than dismissed as anomalies

“The kids can do it. If you have high expectations, the kids can meet them. They just need the right supports”

Joel Greenblatt · 06:10

“If something doesn't work for a student, find something else that that doesn't work, find something else, and keep working.”

Joel Greenblatt · 09:05
#education#charter schools#opportunity#school reform