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Jeremy Grantham07 December 2018

Jeremy Grantham Discusses Sustainable Investment (Podcast)

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster34:47

Why Bearish Managers Lose Clients in Bull Markets, Not Crashes

GMO lost roughly half its business while warning about the dot-com bubble, even though its valuation concerns were later vindicated. Grantham explains that clients often freeze during crashes but become impatient and competitive during exuberant markets, making prudent underperformance commercially dangerous.

  • Clients may tolerate uncertainty during a crash because they delay decisions.
  • Bull markets intensify envy, excitement, and performance comparison.
  • Institutional patience can collapse when a cautious manager trails a bubble.
  • Being proven right later does not necessarily bring departed clients back.

“In down markets, the clients become catatonic in a serious decline, and they wait to see what has happened when the smoke is cleared and…”

Jeremy Grantham · 36:08

“There is nothing you can do more dangerous to your career than than underperform in one of the great enthusiastic bubbles.”

Jeremy Grantham · 36:50
#asset management#bubbles#client behavior#career risk

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take12:35

Green Energy Will Be Plentiful—But the Transition May Arrive Too Late

Renewable-energy technology has improved faster than expected, with modern solar and wind already competing favorably against conventional power. Grantham expects abundant green energy eventually, but warns that the decisive issue is how much climate damage accumulates before full decarbonization.

  • Solar and wind costs have fallen dramatically.
  • Larger offshore wind turbines gain from swept area and stronger, steadier winds.
  • Energy storage may reduce the need for speculative nuclear breakthroughs.
  • The transition's speed matters more than the eventual availability of green energy.

“In the end, I think we will have a plentiful supply of green energy.”

Jeremy Grantham · 16:37

“The problem will be how long has it taken us to get there?”

Jeremy Grantham · 16:46
#renewables#wind power#solar power#decarbonization
Hot Take53:46

Why Saving Every Major Bank Preserved Moral Hazard

Grantham argues that repeated rescues encourage greater risk because firms keep their profits in good periods while expecting public help when bets fail. He distinguishes liquidity problems from genuine insolvency and contends that authorities should have allowed at least one major insolvent institution to fail while doing more for homeowners.

  • Expected rescues encourage progressively greater risk-taking.
  • The crisis response privatized gains while socializing losses.
  • Liquidity stress and insolvency require different diagnoses.
  • Allowing one major failure might have changed future incentives despite a deeper immediate downturn.

“The bet has been if things are going well, you're on your own to make money, and if things go badly, we will come and…”

Jeremy Grantham · 54:19

“There's a big difference between liquidity and insolvents and and insolvency.”

Jeremy Grantham · 56:11
#banking#moral hazard#financial crisis#bailouts
Hot Take58:01

Africa's Population Forecast as a Global Stability Risk

Grantham warns that projected population growth concentrated in Africa could overwhelm food, governance, and migration systems. He connects potential mass displacement with destabilization in European politics and broader consequences for relations among global powers.

  • Most forecast incremental global population growth is concentrated in Africa.
  • Nigeria illustrates the scale of projected demographic change.
  • Food and governance constraints could intensify migration pressure.
  • Large migration flows may reshape European politics and geopolitical stability.

“The other thing is I wanted to elaborate on the population problem in Africa, where all of the three billion that's forecasts for incremental population…”

Jeremy Grantham · 58:01

“I think that is the thing we should really focus our attention”

Jeremy Grantham · 59:15
#population#africa#migration#geopolitics

Explainer· 4

Explainer10:25

Why Climate Damage Falls Hardest on the World's Poor

Grantham argues that climate damage is most severe in environmentally sensitive regions disproportionately inhabited by poorer populations. He also explains that polar regions warm faster than the equator, weakening temperature differentials that power winds and allowing storms to move more slowly and release more rain.

  • Poor populations often occupy the most climate-sensitive regions.
  • Polar amplification narrows the temperature difference between the poles and equator.
  • Slower-moving hurricanes can produce more concentrated rainfall and flooding.

“I think in general the consequences of climate damage here I felt in the most sensitive areas, which are occupied mainly by the poor”

Jeremy Grantham · 11:33

“So now hurricanes are moving ten percent slower, So you're more likely to have a hurricane amble its way across your territory and rain a…”

Jeremy Grantham · 12:19
#climate change#inequality#hurricanes#polar warming
Explainer17:58

How Persistent Disinformation Outcommunicated Cautious Science

Grantham says well-funded institutions repeatedly framed climate change as a hoax while scientists communicated with exceptional caution. In his view, scientific understatement is itself dangerous when it causes politicians and the public to underreact to a severe threat.

  • Climate disinformation benefited from persistence and substantial funding.
  • Scientific norms discourage overstatement but can produce systematic understatement.
  • Understating climate risk can influence governments and citizens to delay action.
  • Major reports and visible disasters can shift public attention rapidly.

“They've been persistent, they've funded it, if you will, generously, and they have achieved remarkable results.”

Jeremy Grantham · 18:42

“But one thing is absolutely certain, and that is it's dangerous to understate climate change.”

Jeremy Grantham · 19:04
#disinformation#climate communication#science#public opinion
Explainer27:49

The Flying-Insect Collapse Is Bigger Than the Bee Crisis

Studies from protected areas in Germany and Puerto Rico indicated severe losses of flying insects, accompanied by declines in insect-eating birds, frogs, and lizards. Grantham connects the losses to pesticides, pollutants, and heat-driven fertility damage, warning that pollination, decomposition, soil health, and food systems all depend on insects.

  • Severe insect declines were observed even in protected habitats.
  • Animals that eat insects declined while seed-eating birds did not show the same pattern.
  • Heat waves can sharply reduce insect fertility.
  • Pesticides, airborne toxins, and warming may act together.
  • Insects support pollination, decomposition, soils, and food production.

“You lose the pollinators, you lose the value of all your agriculture”

Jeremy Grantham · 31:02

“It's just turning out to be a brutal war for insects and without them.”

Jeremy Grantham · 33:33
#insects#biodiversity#pollinators#agriculture#toxicity
Explainer59:22

Protected Land Cannot Save Biodiversity Without Climate Action

Protected wild pockets and corridors are necessary for viable wildlife populations and biodiversity. Grantham cautions, however, that land conservation alone cannot succeed if warming radically alters the habitats those protected areas were designed to preserve.

  • Wild habitat pockets support biodiversity.
  • Corridors allow wildlife to move between protected areas.
  • Conservation areas cannot compensate for extreme climate change.
  • Land protection and emissions reduction must operate together.

“You need them genuinely wild pockets and cards between them to maintain a hope of having a successful wildlife any sort of biodiversity.”

Jeremy Grantham · 59:48

“If you have all these lovely cards and the climate goes up by four and a half degrees centigrade, most of what you've done, it's…”

Jeremy Grantham · 1:00:16
#conservation#biodiversity#wildlife corridors#climate change

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway48:49

A True Bubble Needs Overt Euphoria, Not Just High Prices

Grantham distinguishes expensive markets and sector rotations from classic bubbles. His diagnosis looks for overt euphoria and exceptional statistical deviation, noting that the post-crisis bull market largely climbed a wall of worry rather than displaying sustained optimism.

  • High valuation alone does not establish a classic bubble.
  • Overt euphoria is a defining behavioral signal.
  • A sector decline may be rotation rather than a systemic bubble break.
  • Broad housing appreciation and excess construction gave the 2000s housing bubble unusual force.

“A bubble requires overt euphoria and other demonstrations”

Jeremy Grantham · 50:02

“we defined in the old days a bubble as a two sigma once in a forty year breakout”

Jeremy Grantham · 51:39
#bubbles#market psychology#housing#valuation
Takeaway1:01:42

Great Ideas Go Nowhere Unless You Project Them

Grantham credits Dean LeBaron with demonstrating that effective communication creates an advantage in an otherwise staid investment industry. Intellectual quality is not enough; ideas must be presented memorably and persuasively if they are to attract support and influence decisions.

  • Investment management can be a dull, undifferentiated industry.
  • Distinctive presentation helps ideas travel.
  • Persuasion determines whether strong analysis reaches decision-makers.
  • Communication skill can amplify substantive expertise.

“a little bit of bazaars can go a long way, and how important it is to project your ideas.”

Jeremy Grantham · 1:02:18

“Having great ideas and not projecting them doesn't get you that far.”

Jeremy Grantham · 1:02:24
#communication#persuasion#investing#ideas