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Richard Haass15 July 2016

Interview With Richard Haass: Masters in Business (Audio)

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster23:18

Technology, Not Trade, Drives Most Job Displacement

Haass accepts that trade can eliminate jobs, but says it is blamed for a larger share of disruption than it causes. He identifies productivity and technology as the bigger source of displacement and warns that robotics, 3D printing, and artificial intelligence could accelerate the effect.

  • Trade sometimes displaces workers
  • Trade also acts as a political outlet for broader frustration
  • Productivity and technology eliminate more jobs
  • Worker transition support and retraining require a larger public debate

“the biggest source of displacement in jobs of job elimination is not trade, it's technology.”

Richard Haass · 23:41

“the potential for job displacement might accelerate.”

Richard Haass · 23:51
#trade#technology#jobs#automation

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take29:49

The Iran Nuclear Deal Bought Time but Did Not Solve the Problem

Haass says the agreement was preferable in principle to either accepting an Iranian nuclear weapon or going to war. His concern is that key constraints expire, leaving Iran able to expand nuclear activity while neighboring states may build options of their own as a hedge.

  • The agreement was better than war or an immediate Iranian bomb
  • Important restrictions expire after ten or fifteen years
  • Political moderation in Iran was possible but uncertain
  • Regional hedging could spread pre-nuclear capabilities

“to me was in principle better than either living within Iran with nuclear weapons or going to war with Iran.”

Richard Haass · 30:01

“it brought us time, but it didn't in any way solve the problem.”

Richard Haass · 30:23
#iran#nuclear weapons#middle east#diplomacy
Hot Take42:27

Upward Mobility Matters More Than Inequality

Haass argues that inequality itself is less politically damaging than the loss of upward mobility. People can tolerate unequal outcomes when their own standard of living is improving and they believe further progress remains possible.

  • Inequality has existed throughout American history
  • Opportunity and mobility historically made it more tolerable
  • Personal improvement matters more than comparison alone
  • Restoring mobility should be the central goal

“I don't think inequality is the real issue. I think the real issue is a loss or absence of upward mobility.”

Richard Haass · 42:30

“people don't wake up every day angry about inequality so long as their specific circumstances are improving”

Richard Haass · 43:00
#inequality#mobility#economy#opportunity

Explainer· 5

Explainer09:36

Brexit Turned a Protest Vote Into Binding Consequences

Haass interprets the Leave victory partly as a revolt against the status quo by disaffected voters, while the Remain campaign struggled to make a motivating case. He argues that the aftermath exposed the danger of deciding major public policy through direct referendums rather than representative government.

  • Leave attracted anger and dissatisfaction with the status quo
  • Remain offered a less energizing defense of an imperfect arrangement
  • Some voters did not understand the precise consequences
  • Haass viewed the result as a warning about direct democracy

“it was a referendum on the status quo, and people who were, for one reason or another unhappy or disaffected or angry or worried about…”

Richard Haass · 09:59

“what we've seen in Britain is a very expensive lesson of what happens if you have direct rather than representative democracy.”

Richard Haass · 11:52
#brexit#referendums#democracy#politics
Explainer25:54

Cyber Conflict Outran Its Rules

Haass describes cyberspace as a domain where technology advanced faster than accepted rules. He distinguishes ordinary espionage, which states conduct against one another, from intellectual-property theft, which he says warrants sanctions and stronger treatment in trade agreements.

  • Cyber capabilities developed before effective rules
  • States bear responsibility for protecting their own sensitive data
  • Espionage and intellectual-property theft are different categories
  • Property theft requires enforcement and trade-policy attention

“in the whole area of cyber the technology g is outpaced the rules.”

Richard Haass · 25:57

“there's a difference between It seems to me what is espionage and we carry that out and this is just the newest domain of espionage…”

Richard Haass · 26:44
#cybersecurity#china#espionage#intellectual property
Explainer56:46

China Faced a Choice Between Restraint and Nationalism

Haass says China's long period of foreign-policy restraint supported the stable external environment needed for economic growth. Slower growth created competing pressures: preserve restraint to protect the economy, or use a more nationalist foreign policy to compensate for weaker performance.

  • External stability supported decades of Chinese growth
  • China had recently become more assertive
  • Slower growth strengthened two opposing schools of thought
  • The internal political outcome remained uncertain

“China's foreign policy has been quite restrained because they've understood they needed a stable environment external environment in order to develop and grow economically.”

Richard Haass · 57:01

“My hunches the Chinese themselves are divided.”

Richard Haass · 58:11
#china#nationalism#economic growth#foreign policy
Explainer1:02:24

Why Political Control Blocks Russia's Economic Diversification

Haass says Russia has the human capital to build a broader economy, but genuine entrepreneurship would create independent wealth and demands for political freedom. Putin's preference for state control therefore works against the economic transformation Russia needs beyond energy.

  • Russia has strong technical talent
  • The state-centered energy economy concentrates control
  • Independent capital would weaken government leverage
  • Creative business ideas can generate politically dangerous ideas

“If they were going to free up their economy to do exactly what you're talking about, it would have political consequences.”

Richard Haass · 1:02:24

“the same people who had the creative ideas to start businesses had dangerous creative ideas about politics.”

Richard Haass · 1:03:41
#russia#putin#political economy#entrepreneurship
Explainer1:10:35

Diplomacy Became More Crowded, Exposed and Decentralized

Haass says international relations changed after the Cold War as power dispersed across states, foundations, charities, media companies, and violent groups. Continuous news and social media also removed policy makers' ability to control timing and communicate narrowly.

  • The end of the Cold War changed the global structure
  • Many different kinds of actors can now shape outcomes
  • Continuous news eliminated the luxury of waiting
  • Social media increased exposure and reduced control

“the chessboard, if you will, to use a terrible cliche image is much more crowded with many different types of things.”

Richard Haass · 1:11:14

“the entire environment of making policy and carrying it out has become more decentralized.”

Richard Haass · 1:12:01
#diplomacy#media#decentralization#international relations

Story· 1

Story04:38

How Richard Haass Moved From Oxford Into Government

Haass moved between academic research, the Senate, think tanks, the Pentagon, and the State Department. His doctoral work on the Persian Gulf positioned him to help plan the American response after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Iranian Revolution.

  • Haass sought practical experience while studying at Oxford
  • He worked for Senator Claiborne Pell on foreign relations
  • His Persian Gulf research matched an urgent Pentagon need
  • Major events rapidly turned academic expertise into policy work

“I'd been an academic and wanted to see how the sausage was made, and I got the chance.”

Richard Haass · 04:52

“I was thrown at this in part because I had written my doctoral dissertation on this part of the world”

Richard Haass · 05:45
#career#foreign policy#government#middle east

Q&A· 1

Q&A1:14:02

Haass's Career Advice: Read History and Optimize for Learning

Haass advises aspiring diplomats to build a grounding in history and show more patience about career progress. Early jobs should be judged primarily by how much they teach, even when the work requires paying dues and advancing slowly.

  • History provides essential grounding for diplomacy
  • Career progress should not be rushed
  • Paying dues can have developmental value
  • Learning is the principal measure of an early job

“read some history because it's too easy to graduate from too many of America's colleges and universities and not have any grounding in history.”

Richard Haass · 1:14:11

“The principal measure of the value of the job is how much you learn.”

Richard Haass · 1:14:58
#career advice#history#diplomacy#learning

Takeaway· 5

Takeaway17:32

Europe Could No Longer Be Treated as Predictable

Haass groups Brexit with Russia's move in Ukraine, mass migration, terrorism, financial fragility, and possible separatist votes. His larger lesson is that analysts should be less confident in assumptions once a formerly stable region develops multiple interacting fault lines.

  • Europe experienced several major surprises in a short period
  • Brexit could strengthen separatist pressure within the United Kingdom
  • Economic and political fragility created more possible shocks
  • Stable assumptions became harder to justify

“Europe is you sense it's in play.”

Richard Haass · 18:54

“it's more difficult to have assumptions. Now it's more difficult to have a sense of the givens.”

Richard Haass · 18:59
#europe#uncertainty#brexit#geopolitics
Takeaway32:06

The Iraq War Made Iran the Strategic Winner

Haass opposed the 2003 Iraq War while serving in government because the existing balance between Iraq and Iran served American interests and because he doubted the United States could construct the desired post-Saddam society. He concludes that Iran became the intervention's greatest strategic beneficiary.

  • The Iraq-Iran balance had strategic value for the United States
  • Haass doubted the feasibility of building a preferred Iraqi society
  • Democratic prerequisites were missing in the contemporary Middle East
  • Removing Saddam strengthened Iran strategically

“I did think that the balance of power between Iraq and Iran suited our interests.”

Richard Haass · 32:31

“strategically, Iran was the greatest strategic beneficiary of the Iraq War, no doubt in my mind about that.”

Richard Haass · 32:47
#iraq war#iran#balance of power#democracy
Takeaway35:57

Cuba Engagement Was a Worthy Experiment After Isolation Failed

Haass supports reopening relations with Cuba because decades of embargo and isolation had not produced political change. He argues that trade, tourism, and engagement could remove the regime's ability to blame American threats and might encourage moderation.

  • The end of the Cold War weakened the strategic case for isolation
  • Fifty years of embargo had not removed the communist government
  • Engagement could remove the regime's external-threat excuse
  • The alternative policy deserved a practical test

“clearly embargo and isolation when not bringing about the kind of political changes we wanted to see in Cuba.”

Richard Haass · 36:28

“this is a worthy experiment. Uh, the other wasn't working.”

Richard Haass · 36:54
#cuba#diplomacy#sanctions#engagement
Takeaway1:06:05

Brent Scowcroft Balanced Advocacy With a Fair Process

Haass identifies Brent Scowcroft as a major influence because he combined two demanding roles as national security adviser. Scowcroft gave the president candid counsel while also running a process that colleagues trusted to be fair and accountable.

  • The national security adviser must counsel the president
  • The same person must make the wider system work
  • Colleagues need to trust the process
  • Scowcroft balanced advocacy with fairness

“He was both an advisor or counselor to the president, but he was also the person who dispensed due process and made the system work.”

Richard Haass · 1:06:23

“Brent pulled off that balance better than any other individual I've ever seen.”

Richard Haass · 1:07:17
#leadership#brent scowcroft#decision making#fairness
Takeaway1:15:09

History Is Not Inevitable: People and Ideas Still Decide It

Haass says his career taught him that large historical forces do not make outcomes inevitable. People can harness ideas to produce positive change, while human agency can also drive events toward harmful outcomes.

  • Historical outcomes remain open
  • People and ideas are powerful forces
  • Individuals can make a real positive difference
  • Human agency also creates downside risk

“there's nothing inevitable, that everything is up for grabs, and the two biggest forces out there are people and ideas.”

Richard Haass · 1:15:19

“within that there's a human agency. The difference that people can make, uh, for better and for worse is extroyed there.”

Richard Haass · 1:16:03
#human agency#ideas#history#leadership