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07 April 2017

Interview With Ken Fisher (Part 2): Masters in Business (Audio)

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster02:46

Stock Picking Has Not Suddenly Become Harder

Fisher rejects the idea that stock picking is newly endangered by modern analytics or passive investing. Active management was always difficult; better data has mainly made its shortcomings more visible to the public.

  • Active investors historically lagged markets on average
  • Modern analytics expose an old problem rather than creating a new one
  • Passive adoption took decades despite early supporting evidence
  • Fisher does not expect active management to disappear

“I think stock picking was always very tough. I don't think it's any tougher than it ever was.”

Ken Fisher · 02:57

“I don't think active ever disappears.”

Ken Fisher · 04:04
#active investing#indexing#analytics
Myth Buster31:14

Markets Hate Rising Uncertainty, Not Uncertainty Itself

Fisher challenges the cliché that markets simply hate uncertainty. He argues that markets can perform well amid high uncertainty when the number or severity of unresolved risks is declining, because investors extend forecasts further into the future.

  • The direction of uncertainty matters more than its absolute level
  • High but falling uncertainty can support rising markets
  • Resolved political and economic questions reduce the risk set
  • Longer forecast horizons can favor growth-oriented assets

“What markets hate is rising uncertainty. Markets like high levels of uncertainty that are falling.”

Ken Fisher · 31:23

“as you have falling uncertainty, you typically extend forecasts further out into the future.”

Ken Fisher · 32:45
#uncertainty#bull markets#growth stocks

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take08:52

Why Every Market Feels Uniquely Dangerous

Fisher describes markets as perpetually occupying a “usual unique position.” Investors fixate on current features as unprecedented, but distant hindsight often reveals familiar patterns and weak connections to underlying fundamentals.

  • Present conditions almost always feel historically unique
  • Investor attention becomes myopic around current risks
  • Longer hindsight often makes supposedly unique conditions look ordinary
  • Not every unusual headline condition drives fundamentals

“the stock market is in its um usual unique position.”

Ken Fisher · 09:19

“People are almost always to my opic about the features that we confront today that always seem to be so different and so unique and…”

Ken Fisher · 09:47
#markets#uncertainty#investor psychology
Hot Take35:59

A Passive Fund Choice Still Contains an Active Decision

Fisher warns that US-only passive investors must tolerate long periods when foreign markets lead. Choosing whether and when to add a foreign index is itself an active allocation decision, even when every implementation vehicle is passive.

  • US and foreign leadership moves in long cycles
  • US-only indexing embeds a geographic allocation choice
  • Switching passive vehicles is still an active decision
  • Fisher advocates global thinking regardless of tactics

“is that a passive decision or is that an active decision using passive vehicles both?”

Barry Ritholtz and Ken Fisher · 37:30

“if you don't think globally, you know there's quite a lot.”

Ken Fisher · 38:52
#passive investing#global equities#asset allocation
Hot Take1:22:17

How Shriller Journalism Changes Market Sentiment

Fisher argues that financial pressure and weaker reporting economics have pushed journalism toward short-term attention and opinion. As credibility declines, investors must become more self-reliant and reinterpret how media coverage feeds public sentiment.

  • Opinion increasingly appears where factual leads once dominated
  • Shrillness can win attention while eroding long-term credibility
  • Reduced economics constrain research-intensive reporting
  • Changing media credibility alters media's effect on sentiment

“so much of journalism today does not start the way it did when I study journalism in school, which is to lead with the five…”

Ken Fisher · 1:22:57

“the output has moved evermore to this principle of trying to gain short term attention to shrillness at the loss of longer term credibility”

Ken Fisher · 1:26:09
#journalism#media#sentiment#investing

Explainer· 4

Explainer13:29

How Investors Underperform Their Own Investments

Fund returns do not equal investor returns because people chase performance and exit after losses. Fisher argues that backward-looking feelings drive poorly timed switching, creating a behavioral cost larger than many product-level expenses.

  • Investors frequently buy and sell at damaging times
  • Strong fund returns do not guarantee strong investor returns
  • Sentiment is usually backward-looking
  • Restrictions can sometimes improve outcomes by discouraging trading

“The dl BAR studies shows people underperform their own investments, which on the surface sounds ridiculous, but for your reasons, it's normal for behavioral purposes.”

Ken Fisher · 14:27

“People invest the way they feel, and the way they feel is almost always backward looking”

Ken Fisher · 15:17
#behavioral finance#fund returns#market timing
Explainer16:18

Why Small Rate Changes Rarely Decide Good Capital Projects

Fisher argues that a half-point rate change should not determine whether a sound capital project is viable. The more powerful variable is confidence: executives invest when animal spirits overcome fear and agency risk.

  • A robust project should survive a modest rate change
  • Marginal financing costs receive too much attention
  • Executive confidence can dominate the investment decision
  • Post-crisis agency risk encouraged CEOs to remain defensive

“if you can't justify the return at a half a point higher or lower from where we are today, it's got to be a pretty…”

Ken Fisher · 16:49

“The fact is that it really more about what hasn't been marginalized is a shift in animal spirits”

Ken Fisher · 16:59
#capex#interest rates#sentiment#economics
Explainer33:23

Why Staying Private Can Be the Rational Financing Choice

Fisher separates the shrinking number of public companies from stock-selection concerns and explains the corporate incentives. Compliance costs, public scrutiny, restrained IPO demand, and relatively attractive private borrowing can make remaining private economically rational.

  • Sarbanes-Oxley raised public-company costs for smaller firms
  • Managers may avoid the scrutiny attached to public ownership
  • Alternative lending expands access to private capital
  • Debt can be cheaper than issuing equity on an after-tax basis

“Sarbanes Oxley increased the costs for small companies going public.”

Ken Fisher · 33:37

“it's actually much cheaper and better for the company on average, unless you're thought of as a very low quality company to be borrowing money…”

Ken Fisher · 35:41
#private markets#ipos#corporate finance
Explainer59:51

Why Fisher Thinks Redwoods Adapt Better Than Other Trees

Drawing on research he funded, Fisher says redwoods and several other western tree species are more adaptable than commonly assumed. He attributes redwoods' resilience to their ability to change resource allocation and gain relative advantage under varying climate conditions, while excluding extreme catastrophes from the claim.

  • The claim comes from long-term redwood health research
  • Redwoods adjust more effectively than competing tree species
  • Their complex chromosome makeup may support adaptability
  • Fisher says warming has increased their relative forest share

“They are so adaptive compared to other species that they know how to wiggle and give and move to gain competitive advantage against other tree…”

Ken Fisher · 1:00:30

“redwoods are gaining relative share in forests, to within their landscape, to other tree species.”

Ken Fisher · 1:02:08
#redwoods#climate#forestry#ecology

Tool· 1

Tool18:25

The Contract Check That Exposes Misleading Annuity Claims

Fisher says annuities are varied, complicated contracts that customers often misunderstand. His practical test is to review the actual contract with the customer and call the service number—not the salesperson—to verify what each promise legally means.

  • Annuities cannot be evaluated with one blanket rule
  • The contract controls, not the sales presentation
  • A service representative can clarify ambiguous provisions
  • A quoted return may actually be a return of the buyer's own capital

“Annuities are a contract of some type that is very complicated, almost always that are almost never really understood by the consumer”

Ken Fisher · 19:09

“It's a return of their capital, which anybody can do for themselves”

Ken Fisher · 20:02
#annuities#contracts#fees#consumer protection

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway1:20:22

Ask People Five Years Ahead for Current Career Advice

For a new graduate entering finance, Fisher recommends learning from people only about five years further along. Recent entrants understand today's path better than veterans whose own route belonged to a different industry environment.

  • Seek mentors who recently completed the path you face
  • Industry entry routes evolve over time
  • Treat finance as a long career rather than a quick exit
  • Customer service is a stronger motive than rapid wealth

“Talk to people that are about five years older than you are, that have done it, because they know more about it than I do.”

Ken Fisher · 1:20:33

“The money is a result.”

Ken Fisher · 1:21:29
#careers#mentorship#finance