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Jack Schwager22 July 2016

Interview With Jack Schwager: Masters in Business (Audio)

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster1:01:18

Technical Analysis Is Not Separate From Fundamentals

Schwager rejects the idea that charts are mysterious symbols detached from real economics. He says price action reflects what all market participants are doing, including those acting on fundamental information, because their supply and demand cannot be hidden.

  • Charts aggregate participant behavior
  • Fundamental trading activity appears in supply and price
  • Technicals can provide timing that broad fundamental views lack

“You're seeing fundamentals in the charts. It's just you're seeing him through the price action.”

Jack Schwager · 1:03:18

“the technicals aren't some mysterious thing. They are the reflection of all the participants in the market.”

Jack Schwager · 1:03:48
#technical analysis#fundamentals#price action

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take25:41

Blaming Losses Predicts a Trader's Failure

Schwager argues that traders who claim credit for wins but blame losses on outside forces are likely to fail. A competent trader accepts responsibility for pulling the trigger while recognizing that good and bad luck should balance over a long record.

  • External blame blocks learning
  • The trader owns the decision to enter
  • Bad luck is memorable, while good luck is easily mistaken for skill

“If trader does that, I'll take I'll give you better than even I'll give you two to one odds. They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna…”

Jack Schwager · 26:04

“any decent trader will admit that it's his, you know, or hard fault, who pull the trigger, whose fingers were right?”

Jack Schwager · 26:16
#accountability#losses#psychology
Hot Take1:05:49

Most Technical Indicators Are Just Repackaged Price

Schwager prefers plain charts because he views moving averages, oscillators, and other indicators as derivatives of the same underlying price. Different presentations may suit different traders, but they do not necessarily add new information.

  • Indicators transform price rather than create new market data
  • Presentation style is partly personal preference
  • Schwager uses plain charts instead of indicator-heavy screens

“I think all these indicators are just vivetives or price anyway.”

Jack Schwager · 1:06:04

“you're really not getting anything more and price, you're just getting it in a different type of picture.”

Jack Schwager · 1:06:15
#indicators#charts#price

Explainer· 2

Explainer35:26

How Schwager Edited Interviews for Truth, Not Transcription

Schwager says the strength of the Market Wizards interviews came largely from editing far more material than he published. He removed tangents, completed points where the intended meaning was clear, reorganized related material, and let every trader review the final text so readability did not sacrifice truth.

  • He recorded ten to twenty times the material used
  • Verbatim speech can become confusing in print
  • Interviewees reviewed the edited result
  • The goal was fidelity to meaning and readability

“I'm not a great interviewer. When I'm what I am is I'm a really great editor”

Jack Schwager · 35:34

“what I was trying to do was get as close to what they were trying to say in a most readable form”

Jack Schwager · 36:35
#editing#interviews#writing
Explainer51:24

Why Large Market Trends Persist

Schwager explains that major trends persist because their underlying causes take time to unfold. Central-bank policy cycles, changing interest rates, and physical commodity shortages cannot usually reverse in days, though crowded trend-following strategies have made breakouts harder to exploit.

  • Policy shifts commonly continue rather than reverse immediately
  • Supply shortages take time to correct
  • Persistent causes create momentum in prices
  • Crowded strategies increase false breakouts

“the things that really drive the big moves are things that blasts.”

Jack Schwager · 51:54

“it's gotten much more difficult to exploit because the markets there's so many people who try to do this.”

Jack Schwager · 52:30
#trends#momentum#markets

Story· 2

Story42:12

Why Ed Seykota Kept the Quote Machine Off His Desk

Schwager recalls asking Ed Seykota why he had no quote machine on his desk. Seykota compared it to a slot machine that demands quarters all day: he preferred to choose systematic trades and avoid live market noise that might entice him away from his approach.

  • Constant price watching can trigger impulsive action
  • Seykota entered systematic trades without monitoring every tick
  • Removing stimuli can protect process discipline

“having a coute machine in your desk is like having a slot machine on your desk and the feeding ofod quarters all day.”

Jack Schwager · 42:30

“he doesn't want to be enticed by the market to do stuff that's outside of what the approaches.”

Jack Schwager · 42:40
#ed seykota#noise#systems
Story54:46

Ed Thorp Kept Solving Problems Before the Market Did

Schwager calls mathematician Ed Thorp perhaps the most amazing person he interviewed. He recounts Thorp's work on beating casino games, an options-pricing formulation years before Black-Scholes, early quantitative fund strategies, and an analysis that detected Madoff's fraud long before it collapsed.

  • Thorp applied mathematics across gambling and markets
  • He independently developed an options-pricing formulation
  • He pioneered several quantitative fund structures
  • He identified inconsistencies in Madoff's reported activity

“of all the great people that I interviewed, is probably the most amazing. And that would be that would be Ed Thorpe.”

Jack Schwager · 54:49

“He came up with all of these things on his own.”

Jack Schwager · 56:57
#ed thorp#mathematics#innovation

Q&A· 1

Q&A1:22:55

Break Into Finance Through Your Strongest Skill

Schwager advises graduates to first confirm that finance genuinely interests them rather than pursuing it only for money. He then recommends networking and entering through a demonstrated strength such as writing, analytics, or computing.

  • Confirm the career fits your interests
  • Networking is the practical route to opportunities
  • Use writing, analytics, or computing as an entry wedge
  • Build the career around a genuine strength

“first make sure it's what you really want to do. I mean, it's not you're not just looking to do for the money.”

Jack Schwager · 1:23:13

“take advantage of your strength and try to break into the career on your strong point.”

Jack Schwager · 1:23:49
#career#finance#strengths

Takeaway· 4

Takeaway11:36

Discipline Means Following the Method Through Losses

Jack Schwager says discipline was the most common answer when elite traders explained what differentiated them. He defines it primarily as staying with a probabilistic methodology, including during expected losing trades, rather than taking impulsive positions outside the plan.

  • Successful methods still produce losing trades
  • A loss inside the plan is different from an undisciplined trade
  • Headline-driven deviations corrupt a probabilistic process

“discipline was the single most answered, you know, answer to that.”

Jack Schwager · 11:43

“they mean primarily I've got a methronology and I'm not gonna straight from it.”

Jack Schwager · 12:09
#discipline#trading#probability
Takeaway19:32

Great Traders Wait for the Fat Pitch

Schwager identifies patience as a recurring trait among strong traders. It applies both to waiting until an unusually attractive setup appears and to remaining with a successful position instead of constantly acting.

  • Do not trade merely to stay active
  • Wait for a setup with unusually favorable odds
  • Patience also means sitting with a winning position

“I don't do anything until there's there's money lying in a corner on the floor, and all I have to do is to go and…”

Jack Schwager · 19:38

“It was my sitting. Got that my sitting.”

Jack Schwager · 20:17
#patience#trading#opportunity
Takeaway1:21:53

The Honest Market Forecast Is Often ‘I Don't Know’

When asked to predict future market shifts, Schwager refuses to guess. He says he does not answer questions when he does not believe he knows the answer, even though financial television often expects a precise forecast.

  • Do not manufacture certainty for an audience
  • Forecast pressure does not create knowledge
  • Admitting uncertainty is more useful than an unsupported number

“I'm not a predictor. I don't know.”

Jack Schwager · 1:21:55

“I never answer a question. You know, I don't think I know the answer to”

Jack Schwager · 1:22:08
#uncertainty#forecasting#honesty
Takeaway1:24:04

Complacency After Success Causes Schwager's Drawdowns

Schwager identifies a recurring flaw in his own trading: his significant drawdowns followed periods of unusually strong performance. He starts cautiously and controls losses well, but once ahead he can take more risk or behave differently and give back part of the gain.

  • Strong performance can reduce caution
  • Behavioral drift follows growing profits
  • Risk discipline must tighten rather than relax after success
  • A drawdown can begin before the account shows a loss

“be careful of getting too complacent when you're doing very well.”

Jack Schwager · 1:24:26

“every time I've had any significant draw downs, that's always been after I've done extremely well.”

Jack Schwager · 1:24:34
#complacency#drawdown#risk