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Ethan Harris05 February 2016

Interview With Ethan Harris: Masters in Business (Audio)

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster17:31

A Commodity Price Crash Is Not Necessarily Deflation

Harris argues that a sharp commodity decline can be a one-time repricing rather than true deflation. Economists worry about sustained, broad declines in prices and wages, not an individual market adjusting from persistent scarcity to oversupply.

  • Commodity markets can shift abruptly from high to low prices
  • A finite adjustment cannot continue at the same pace forever
  • True deflation is broad-based and persists year after year
  • Broad wage declines are a warning sign of a sick economy

“what you're seeing in commodity markets is really a repricing”

Ethan Harris · 17:34

“Real deflation is when um year after year prices keep keep dropping”

Ethan Harris · 18:27
#commodities#deflation#oil#prices

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take26:37

Japan's Negative Rate Move Was More Symbol Than Stimulus

Harris says a small negative rate on bank reserves would lower borrowing costs only modestly. He viewed its larger value as a signal that the Bank of Japan remained willing to support growth and interrupt a panic-driven market narrative.

  • The policy charged banks a small amount for reserves
  • Its direct effect on broad borrowing rates was limited
  • The announcement showed that the central bank was still active
  • Changing the market story can help stabilize panic

“I think it's more of a symbolic gesture to tell you the truth, than anything major.”

Ethan Harris · 27:38

“it was important. I think that the central Bank show that it's still in the game”

Ethan Harris · 27:57
#negative rates#bank of japan#market confidence
Hot Take52:20

Greenspan's Gradualism Took the Restraint Out of Rate Hikes

Harris criticizes Alan Greenspan for holding rates below two percent for years and then raising them too gently. He says predictable gradualism removed the shock and restraint, while Greenspan's reassuring housing speeches made the chair sound like a market cheerleader.

  • Rates stayed below two percent for an extended period
  • Slow hikes failed to create meaningful financial restraint
  • Bond and equity markets rallied while cheap housing credit expanded
  • A central-bank chair should not sound like a market cheerleader

“they took such a long time to get them back to normal. They didn't they didn't create any financial restraint.”

Ethan Harris · 53:35

“you don't want to at any time kind of be viewed as a cheerleader to the markets”

Ethan Harris · 55:51
#alan greenspan#interest rates#housing bubble#federal reserve

Explainer· 5

Explainer09:43

What Global Bond Yields Say About Economic Confidence

Harris interprets very low yields in Europe and Japan as market pessimism about long-run growth and inflation. He says the higher United States yield was comparatively encouraging because it implied some prospect of normalization rather than permanent near-zero rates.

  • Bond yields reflect expected future rates and inflation
  • Japan's long period of low growth reduced the need for inflation compensation
  • Central-bank bond buying also lowered European and Japanese yields
  • The United States looked stronger only in relative terms

“the interest rate differentials telling you something about the prospect of the US finally come out coming out of its malaise”

Ethan Harris · 10:32

“the story here is about, you know, faith in the long run growth and inflation prospects”

Ethan Harris · 13:01
#bond yields#global economy#inflation#growth
Explainer16:27

Inflation, Deflation and Disinflation Are Different

Harris distinguishes three commonly confused price patterns. Inflation is a broad rise in wages and prices, deflation is a sustained broad decline in prices, and disinflation is merely a slower rate of inflation.

  • Inflation raises nominal wages and prices without necessarily increasing buying power
  • Deflation means prices actually fall across the economy
  • Sustained deflation usually appears in depression-like conditions
  • Disinflation means inflation slows but remains positive

“inflation is just a general rise in wages and prices and income”

Ethan Harris · 16:27

“disinflation is just a slowing of inflation, so you're going from five percent to three percent”

Ethan Harris · 17:04
#inflation#deflation#disinflation
Explainer19:29

Japan's Challenge Shifted From a Broken Market to Demographics

Harris traces Japan's original crisis to a burst property and equity bubble, a crippled banking system, and a slow repair that damaged confidence. He says the forward-looking challenge had become demographic: a shrinking population, low birth rates, little immigration, and fewer workers supporting more retirees.

  • The initial crisis followed property and equity bubbles
  • Banking damage and weak confidence prolonged stagnation
  • Demographics were not the original cause
  • A smaller new generation of workers creates a serious future challenge

“a lot of what the story of Japan was confidence”

Ethan Harris · 20:04

“the new generation of workers is much smaller than the old generation retirees”

Ethan Harris · 21:26
#japan#demographics#banking#deflation
Explainer35:38

Fragmented Mortgage Regulation Created a Race to the Bottom

Harris spreads responsibility for the financial crisis across outdated regulation, political pressure, government agencies, and private lenders. He highlights overlapping state and federal regulators as a structural weakness because lenders could compete for business by loosening standards.

  • The regulatory system was an outdated patchwork
  • Political pressure promoted home ownership beyond prudent limits
  • State and federal regulators covered different lenders
  • Competition rewarded the loosest lender
  • The Federal Reserve shared blame with other regulators

“it was a bit of a race to the bottom. You know, whoever was the loosest lender got the business”

Ethan Harris · 37:29

“the FED shared blame with every other regulator”

Ethan Harris · 37:49
#financial crisis#regulation#mortgages#incentives
Explainer56:18

The Central-Bank Put Needs a Distant Strike Price

Harris accepts that central banks provide a form of downside protection in emergencies. The important question is the implied strike price: intervention should be reserved for sufficiently severe stress so investors do not expect rescue after every market decline.

  • Some emergency central-bank support always exists
  • The debate concerns when support activates
  • An at-the-money rescue expectation encourages dependency
  • A distant strike price limits assumptions of routine rescue

“there's always a put from a central bank. But the question is what's the strike price?”

Ethan Harris · 56:22

“that put needs to be priced, you know, pretty out of the money”

Ethan Harris · 56:52
#central bank put#moral hazard#markets#federal reserve

Story· 2

Story03:04

Why History and Math Led Ethan Harris to Economics

Ethan Harris says his interest in history and his aptitude for math made economics a natural fit. His older brother introduced him to the subject, and reading Samuelson's introductory textbook over a summer confirmed the choice before college.

  • Harris was interested in history as a child
  • His older brother introduced him to economics
  • He saw economics as a combination of history and math
  • A summer economics textbook made him commit to the major

“economics as a combination of history and and math, and so it really fit my skill set”

Ethan Harris · 03:36

“I was an economics major the day I arrived in college.”

Ethan Harris · 03:55
#economics#career origins#education
Story1:04:38

Ethan Harris Could Feel Lehman's Collapse Coming

Harris recalls Lehman's rise from a second-tier investment bank and its later exposure to mortgage-related losses. After Bear Stearns failed, Lehman became the obvious next focus; on the final weekend, Harris warned his boss that they might not return to the office on Monday.

  • Lehman had rebuilt itself into a leading investment bank
  • Residential and commercial real-estate exposure left it vulnerable
  • Bear Stearns made Lehman the market's next obvious target
  • Quarter-end announcements became dangerous for investment banks
  • Harris recognized the final weekend's risk in real time

“we may not be in our office on Monday.”

Ethan Harris · 1:10:20

“You could feel, you could feel the the the the how dangerous it was in real time.”

Ethan Harris · 1:10:33
#lehman brothers#financial crisis#wall street

Q&A· 1

Q&A1:21:38

Get an Economics PhD Only If You Absolutely Love It

Harris warns that Wall Street economics was a shrinking and cost-conscious field, but says economics training remains useful across strategy and portfolio management. His education rule is direct: pursue the demanding PhD route only with a strong love for economics; otherwise, a business-school path is more flexible.

  • Traditional Wall Street economist roles were shrinking
  • Economics teaches a way of thinking that transfers to other jobs
  • Strategy and portfolio management are alternative paths
  • A PhD is justified by deep commitment to economics
  • An MBA offers broader flexibility for others

“The great thing about economics is it's a discipline of the way you think about the world that makes it applicable to many things.”

Ethan Harris · 1:22:19

“If if you if you are absolutely in love with economics, go get a PhD.”

Ethan Harris · 1:22:37
#economics career#phd#mba#career advice

Takeaway· 3

Takeaway04:27

Central Banks Should Nudge Markets, Not Micromanage Them

Harris says macroeconomists broadly accept both free markets and a limited central-bank role. His preferred balance is intervention that nudges markets and the economy rather than trying to control every outcome.

  • Free markets and central banks are not necessarily opposites
  • No intervention and aggressive intervention are both extremes
  • The practical compromise is limited guidance rather than micromanagement

“you nudge the markets and the economy along, you don't try to to micromanage it”

Ethan Harris · 05:18

“macre economics is not nearly as fractured as it sometimes looks like from the outside”

Ethan Harris · 05:31
#central banks#free markets#monetary policy
Takeaway57:36

Why the Federal Reserve's Committee Structure Reduces Errors

Harris says the Federal Reserve's decentralized structure brings hawkish and dovish regional perspectives into a respectful debate. Although the committee may be larger than optimal, he argues that group decisions reduce the chance that one person follows a bad path without hearing enough contrary voices.

  • Regional presidents intentionally decentralize power
  • Different reserve banks bring hawkish and dovish traditions
  • Respect and coordination can coexist with dissent
  • Committees make fewer mistakes than individuals
  • The chair should build consensus without total control

“the advantage of having a committee decision making is that committees make fewer mistakes than individuals”

Ethan Harris · 59:04

“you don't want to have a structure decision making process where there's a complete control by one individual”

Ethan Harris · 1:00:49
#decision making#committees#federal reserve#leadership
Takeaway1:12:20

Writing Skill Comes From Immersion, Critique and Repetition

Harris credits a demanding college history professor's writing class with transforming his ability. The class used practical work and detailed public critique, and Harris agrees that writing is difficult to learn without sustained immersion.

  • A history professor created the class after seeing weak student writing
  • Students wrote practically rather than learning only theory
  • Papers received detailed critique in class
  • Harris considers writing an important part of an economist's work
  • Occasional practice is not enough for immersion

“I've never had a class that that did just made such a big difference in my ability to do I learned to write.”

Ethan Harris · 1:12:45

“there's no way around it except to get It's kind of like the language immersion.”

Ethan Harris · 1:13:34
#writing#feedback#practice#education