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Felix Zulauf21 November 2017

Felix Zulauf Discusses the Evolution of Markets

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster54:21

Hedge-Fund Underperformance Can Reflect the Cost of Hedging

Zulauf says genuine hedge funds normally sacrifice some upside during bull markets in exchange for protection during downturns. An unusually long, central-bank-supported bull market therefore punished managers carrying hedges, while some supposed hedge funds were actually leveraged long-only portfolios.

  • Hedging naturally reduces participation in strong bull markets
  • The post-crisis bull market lasted longer than many managers expected
  • Central-bank intervention favored sustained long exposure
  • Some funds used token hedges mainly to justify higher fees
  • Leveraged long-only funds were vulnerable when markets reversed

“the hedge fund by definition hedges part of its bets and and usually under performs in the bull market and makes money in a bear…”

Felix Zulauf · 54:21

“they will leveraged long only basically, and they got and they got wiped out, you know.”

Felix Zulauf · 56:03
#hedge-funds#bull-market#risk#fees

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take22:46

Central-Bank Market Planning May Be a Permanent Distortion

Zulauf describes post-2009 markets as increasingly centrally planned because central banks deliberately influence financial prices. He believes the intervention has weakened relationships that worked in earlier cycles and may be difficult to reverse without breaking the system.

  • Central banks increasingly target financial-market outcomes
  • Intervention distorts previously useful market relationships
  • Government's share of economic activity has trended upward
  • Reversing support could destabilize the system it now sustains

“the central banks have taken over to manipulate financial markets to the degree that they move prices where they want to have them,”

Felix Zulauf · 22:59

“I think central banks cannot go back to where it was because if they tried, they would break the system.”

Felix Zulauf · 25:06
#central-banks#market-distortion#government#free-markets
Hot Take58:30

The Next Rescue Could Fuse Fiscal Spending With Central Banks

With interest rates already low, Zulauf expects the next downturn to produce large government spending programs underwritten by central banks. He warns that this response would expand central planning, government ownership of financial assets, and pressure on fixed-income markets.

  • Zero interest rates are not necessarily the lower bound
  • Governments may respond with infrastructure and employment spending
  • Central banks could finance or underwrite the fiscal expansion
  • Government bonds may increasingly migrate onto central-bank balance sheets
  • The long-run result could be weaker free markets and individual freedom

“I think next time it will be huge fiscal spending, huge fiscal spending, infrastructure spending to just employ the people and keep the system afloat,…”

Felix Zulauf · 59:06

“the way we run our economic policies will eventually destroy the fixed income markets.”

Felix Zulauf · 1:05:49
#fiscal-policy#central-banks#bonds#recession

Explainer· 5

Explainer17:20

How Crisis Stimulus Plants the Seeds of the Next Excess

Zulauf argues that policymakers repeatedly respond to crises with liquidity that remains too easy for too long. The resulting support stabilizes the immediate problem but encourages the next speculative excess, from technology shares to housing.

  • Fear of depression shaped highly expansionary monetary policy
  • Liquidity ahead of Y2K contributed to the Nasdaq surge
  • Post-technology-crash stimulus supported the housing boom
  • Short-term pain reduction can increase long-term instability

“It was always too easy for way too long, and this led to the excesses that we have seen before.”

Felix Zulauf · 18:19

“You make it less painful in the short run, but you make it more painful in the long run.”

Felix Zulauf · 26:06
#monetary-policy#bubbles#liquidity#financial-crisis
Explainer36:51

Why Globalization's Losers Turned Against the Establishment

Zulauf argues that globalization lifted incomes across emerging Asia while eroding or threatening parts of the industrialized middle class. Workers who lost jobs or feared displacement then supported Brexit, Trump, and other anti-establishment movements.

  • Globalization creates aggregate benefits but also concentrated losses
  • Emerging-market middle classes experienced major income gains
  • Parts of the Western middle class experienced erosion or insecurity
  • Political revolt reflects both actual losses and fear of future losses

“Globalization in theory is wonderful because everybody who can produce something cheaper or better than anybody else does that and focuses on that, and then…”

Felix Zulauf · 37:01

“They are losers, or they fear to become losers, and they will.”

Felix Zulauf · 37:54
#globalization#populism#inequality#politics
Explainer39:54

How Currency Union and Labor Mobility Fed Brexit

Zulauf contends that combining structurally different economies under the euro creates imbalances that require transfers and centralization. In Britain, unrestricted labor mobility added employment and welfare concerns, while EU resistance to migration concessions helped turn those concerns into Brexit.

  • Structurally different economies share one monetary arrangement
  • Imbalances create pressure for transfer payments and redistribution
  • Income and welfare differences encourage migration toward richer states
  • EU refusal to grant Britain more migration control strengthened Brexit pressure

“you create imbalances, You create imbalances, and the imbalances have to be rebalanced by transfer payments,”

Felix Zulauf · 40:23

“And they denied it. Although migration in total in the EU is not a big problem and they are very dogmatic. And that creative Brexit”

Felix Zulauf · 42:05
#brexit#euro#migration#europe
Explainer47:41

Why Slow Growth Raises the Risk of US-China Conflict

Zulauf links weakening demographics and productivity to lower potential economic growth. When the total economic pie grows too slowly, nations fight more aggressively for market share, while China's challenge to US primacy introduces a historical great-power conflict risk.

  • Working-age population growth was approaching stagnation and decline
  • Productivity growth had also weakened
  • Slow aggregate growth intensifies competition and protectionism
  • A rising China challenges the incumbent US-led order
  • Economic interdependence does not eliminate geopolitical conflict

“if you combine population growth and productivity growth, you know the outcome will be very low economic growth.”

Felix Zulauf · 48:46

“I think we are in for rising conflicts in the world over the next tent to twenty years.”

Felix Zulauf · 50:07
#china#united-states#demographics#geopolitics#growth
Explainer56:27

How Indexing Can Delay Price Discovery

Zulauf argues that growing passive ownership makes markets less efficient and can delay recognition of company-specific value. That inefficiency should eventually create opportunities for stock pickers, but realizing the return may require waiting until passive flows weaken.

  • Indexing directs capital without conventional security selection
  • A larger passive share can weaken price discovery
  • Fundamental discrepancies may persist longer than expected
  • Stock pickers can be right on value but early on realization

“it makes actually markets less efficient, and it should create opportunities for stock pickers over the long term,”

Felix Zulauf · 56:49

“the value on their investments is there, but the market does not discover it until the passive investment fed is gone or is being reduced.”

Felix Zulauf · 57:22
#indexing#passive-investing#price-discovery#stock-picking

Story· 3

Story03:36

How a College Dropout Became UBS's Global Strategist

Zulauf entered banking because his parents wanted him to learn a stable profession, but he became fascinated by what moved investment markets. He attributes his rapid rise at UBS to practical speculation, extensive independent reading, and freedom from an overly theoretical education.

  • Zulauf learned banking through an internship rather than university
  • Market movement sparked his interest in investment research
  • Practical experience gave him an advantage over conventionally trained peers
  • He became UBS's global strategist at about age thirty

“I was a college dropout actually,”

Felix Zulauf · 03:39

“I think I learned the business from the practical side and not from the theoretical side.”

Felix Zulauf · 11:42
#career#education#ubs#macro
Story05:07

What Bob Farrell Taught Zulauf About Market Sentiment

Bob Farrell influenced Zulauf through technical analysis, personal modesty, and the study of changing investor sentiment. A small historical booklet showing brokerage-client behavior across an entire market cycle made a particularly strong impression on him.

  • Farrell led an influential market-analysis department
  • Zulauf regarded Elliott Wave as useful but subjective
  • Investor behavior changes systematically from market bottoms to peaks
  • Historical accounts can reveal recurring sentiment patterns

“I learned from him house sentiment changes over time.”

Felix Zulauf · 06:58

“It can be very helpful at times, but it is one of many tools”

Felix Zulauf · 06:32
#sentiment#technical-analysis#mentors#cycles
Story14:04

Why Zulauf Took UBS to Zero Equities Before the 1987 Crash

While running institutional portfolios at UBS, Zulauf ordered managers to eliminate equity exposure during the strong 1987 market. He did not predict a one-day crash, but expected a sustained decline and used the extreme allocation partly to resist interference from general management.

  • The S&P 500 had risen sharply before the decision
  • Zulauf and the investment committee initially agreed to reduce exposure
  • Management intervention prompted him to make the allocation more forceful
  • The portfolios performed strongly when markets crashed

“I went to zero equities and we were unloading equities for weeks and weeks and weeks.”

Felix Zulauf · 14:13

“I didn't know that the crash was coming. I expected declined for the next six months or so, as opposed to in a day”

Felix Zulauf · 15:46
#1987-crash#asset-allocation#contrarian#ubs

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway1:14:31

Why Zulauf Calls Money Management a Business for Optimists

Zulauf says greater awareness of risk might have made him too cautious early in his career. Because fiat monetary systems tend toward monetary inflation and rising asset prices, he believes successful money management requires a meaningful degree of optimism.

  • Youthful aggressiveness helped Zulauf take productive risks
  • Knowing every possible risk can create excessive caution
  • Fiat systems have an inflationary bias
  • Monetary inflation tends to support asset prices over time

“I'm glad I didn't know what I know today because I would not have been as aggressive then as I have been.”

Felix Zulauf · 1:14:31

“money management is a business for optimists”

Felix Zulauf · 1:14:54
#optimism#risk-taking#fiat-money#asset-prices