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David Conrod28 January 2022

David Conrod on Successor Funds and Growth Equity (Podcast)

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Hot Take· 1

Hot Take53:13

Secondary Funds Look Better When Market Liquidity Disappears

Secondary managers earned attractive returns after the financial crisis by purchasing private-equity interests from forced sellers at steep discounts. Conrod questions the appeal when abundant liquidity pushes purchase prices to premiums, arguing that the strategy is more compelling when market stress restores discounted entry points.

  • Portfolio rebalancing created forced sellers after the financial crisis
  • Secondary buyers benefited from steep discounts
  • Large capital inflows can push secondary prices upward
  • The liquidity regime materially affects expected returns

“investing in a secondary manager UH when there's a lot of liquidity doesn't make a lot of sense to me.”

David Conrod · 54:06

“I think investing in a secondary manager when there isn't liquidity, they're going to be buying in at steep discounts.”

David Conrod · 54:12
#secondaries#liquidity#private equity#valuation

Explainer· 9

Explainer17:51

How an Institutional Investor Moves from Suspect to Commitment

Fundraising begins with outreach to thousands of possible investors and narrows toward qualified prospects. Interested institutions then progress through management meetings, data-room review, performance analysis, reference calls, and often an office visit before committing.

  • Initial outreach covers a much larger universe than the eventual prospect pool
  • Multiple meetings expose investors to the broader management team
  • Data rooms and references support formal diligence
  • On-site visits may be required by institutional policy

“I think there there are suspect before their prospect”

David Conrod · 17:57

“it's our job to help manage that process and move the investor through the different stages that they're gonna be thinking about, you know, towards…”

David Conrod · 18:21
#fundraising funnel#institutional investors#due diligence
Explainer25:59

Why a Song's Six-Year Mark Matters to Royalty Investors

Conrod says a song's royalty income tends to reach a steadier state after roughly six years. Once global collections reveal a more stable pattern across radio, venues, streaming, and live performances, investors can evaluate the catalog through cash-flow analysis with less uncertainty than during a song's early popularity cycle.

  • Early hit revenue can decay sharply
  • Royalty collectors gather revenue from many global uses
  • A longer history makes future cash flow easier to estimate
  • Buying before stabilization introduces greater demand risk

“I think it was that during the Olympics in the in London and two thousand and twelve, uh call me maybe was on the radio…”

David Conrod · 26:13

“It's a little risky prior to six years because you don't know where it's going to so in other way, that song is going to…”

David Conrod · 26:58
#music royalties#cash flow#alternative investments
Explainer28:59

Sale-Leasebacks Turn Corporate Real Estate into Long-Term Financing

A corporation can sell an owned property and lease it back for 15 to 25 years, releasing capital for its operating business. Investors receive contractually increasing rent and retain ownership of the underlying asset, but the hybrid of credit and real estate can be difficult for conventional allocator teams to classify.

  • The transaction converts property into usable corporate capital
  • Long leases can provide predictable income
  • Contractual rent increases offer inflation protection
  • Asset ownership may strengthen the investor's position
  • The strategy sits between credit and real estate

“It's a great non bank source of financing. You can sell the asset and simultaneously release it back for fifteen to twenty five years.”

David Conrod · 29:34

“You're protected against inflation. The manager manager is because the rent increases are built in contractually and you own the asset, so you're actually in…”

David Conrod · 29:48
#sale-leaseback#real estate#credit#income
Explainer33:03

How Growth Equity Feeds Larger Private-Equity Platforms

Growth-equity firms often provide the first institutional money to bootstrapped companies growing rapidly without taking control. Their capital and guidance can help a company reach a scale that attracts larger private-equity firms seeking acquisitions for existing platforms, creating a private-market food chain.

  • Growth-equity investments can be minority positions
  • Targets may be bootstrapped before institutional investment
  • Managers help companies reach substantially higher revenue
  • Larger buyout firms become potential downstream acquirers

“it's generally backing a management team bootstrapped and they're the first institutional money going into the business.”

David Conrod · 33:11

“And so it's almost a food chain that makes we're starting to see developed which wasn't as apparent three to five years ago”

David Conrod · 33:49
#growth equity#private equity#scaleups#m&a
Explainer35:29

The GP Capital Gap Facing Independent Sponsors

Lenders may expect a fund-backed sponsor to contribute around two percent to a deal, while an independent sponsor without a fund can face a much larger contribution requirement. Supplying that missing GP capital can unlock a transaction and justify greater participation in its economics.

  • Lenders want sponsors to have capital at risk
  • Independent sponsors may face higher commitment requirements
  • Sponsors do not always have enough liquid capital
  • A financing partner can solve the gap in return for economic participation

“The lenders on a direct transaction for a sponsor who does not have a FUN are asking for ten to for a GP commit and…”

David Conrod · 35:46

“being able to help them solve the GP capital problem helps improve our economic sharing”

David Conrod · 35:57
#independent sponsors#gp commitment#direct deals#private equity
Explainer46:57

The Treadmill Metaphor for How Distressed Investors Gain Control

Conrod compares an overleveraged company to a management team running on a treadmill that becomes faster and steeper with every required interest payment. Distressed investors build positions while waiting for amortization demands to become unsustainable, potentially allowing creditors to take control.

  • Debt service continually increases operating pressure
  • Amortization can become the decisive breaking point
  • Distressed investors may accumulate positions before default
  • The anticipated pandemic distress cycle was less severe than expected

“If you think about Distress, you've got a management team that's on a treadmill, and then the private equity sponsor every quarter is telling them…”

David Conrod · 47:08

“these Distress investors are just waiting for that amorization schedule to kick in, and at some point that's gonna happen and they're gonna lose the…”

David Conrod · 47:20
#distressed debt#credit#turnarounds#leverage
Explainer51:26

How Private-Credit Returns Shape Manager Fees

Private-credit fee capacity rises with expected net returns. Conrod describes lower-return strategies charging around one percent on invested capital with reduced carried interest, while strategies producing returns above roughly 12 percent can move closer to the traditional two-and-twenty structure.

  • Credit fees are generally lower than private-equity fees
  • Lower-return funds tend to charge on invested rather than committed capital
  • Carried interest can rise with the return target
  • Higher-return credit approaches move closer to two-and-twenty

“If a credit strategy is returning say a net net return of between eight and ten percent. The managers probably can't charge more than one…”

David Conrod · 51:37

“and then north to twelve. They're working their way closer to two and twenty.”

David Conrod · 52:12
#private credit#fees#carried interest#fund economics
Explainer54:23

How Continuation Funds Let GPs Keep Compounding Their Best Assets

A general partner can transfer a strong portfolio company into a continuation vehicle instead of selling it outright. Existing limited partners who want liquidity can be redeemed, new investors provide replacement capital, and the manager continues owning and developing the asset.

  • Continuation vehicles provide an alternative to selling a strong asset
  • Existing investors can elect to receive liquidity
  • New capital replaces investors who exit
  • The general partner preserves exposure to further compounding

“general partners now are basically creating their own secondary funds themselves.”

David Conrod · 54:23

“they'll take their best asset, put it into a continuation vehicle UH redeem out the LPs that want their capital back, bringing a new new…”

David Conrod · 54:44
#continuation funds#secondaries#private equity#liquidity
Explainer56:36

Why Lower-Middle-Market Companies Have More Exit Paths

Companies backed by smaller and midmarket funds can exit through several channels, including IPOs, strategic combinations, and sales to larger private-equity platforms. At the same time, large funds under pressure to deploy substantial capital may pay elevated prices for suitable assets.

  • Smaller companies have multiple potential exit routes
  • Large private-equity platforms need acquisitions to grow
  • Abundant fund capital increases pressure to deploy
  • Deployment pressure can contribute to overpayment

“there's more exit opportunities when you're have a company at that level than you have a five billion dollar company”

David Conrod · 56:58

“some of the larger firms are feeling the weight of the money and they have to get the money invested, and so they can't overpaying…”

David Conrod · 57:43
#middle market#exits#valuations#private equity

Story· 1

Story11:25

How Converted 747s Proved an Aircraft-Leasing Thesis

After air travel declined following September 11, a specialist team bought wide-body aircraft and converted them into freighters serving global supply chains. Six completed investments and a profitable portfolio sale established a track record that enabled a much larger successor fund.

  • Falling passenger demand created an aircraft acquisition opportunity
  • Freighter demand benefited from global supply-chain activity
  • Seed investments demonstrated the strategy before fundraising
  • A portfolio exit helped validate the successor fund

“they were buying a lot of wide body seven four sevens and converting them into freighter to take advantage of the global supply chain moving…”

David Conrod · 12:29

“we generated a nice return in a very short period of time, proved that that had a nice track record, which enabled us to raise…”

David Conrod · 14:14
#aircraft leasing#successor funds#private equity#logistics

Takeaway· 4

Takeaway10:53

Why the Hard Work of a First-Time Fund Can Pay Off Later

FocusPoint has raised capital for more than twenty first-time funds even though they require substantial work. The commercial rationale is the opportunity to support larger successor funds after the initial strategy and team have established a record.

  • First-time funds demand unusually intensive fundraising work
  • A successful first fund can create a durable manager relationship
  • Successor funds provide the longer-term economic opportunity

“looking back, you know we've probably raised capital for over twenty first time funds and which requires a lot of work.”

David Conrod · 10:53

“But the reason you do it is for the successor funds.”

David Conrod · 11:02
#first-time funds#successor funds#fundraising
Takeaway20:41

Remote Annual Meetings Made Private-Market Fundraising More Efficient

Pandemic-era remote access became a lasting efficiency improvement for institutional investors. Allocators can attend an annual meeting online rather than losing days to travel, leaving them more available for other manager conversations, although in-person meetings remain more valuable when feasible.

  • Annual meetings now commonly include a remote option
  • Online attendance can replace several days of travel
  • More desk time improves access to prospective investors
  • One-to-one in-person interaction still carries greater value

“Now they can watch it on zoom for an hour and be much more efficient sitting at their desk.”

David Conrod · 21:39

“it's still more valuable to have the one on one in person.”

David Conrod · 22:21
#remote work#annual meetings#fundraising#pandemic
Takeaway43:26

Creative Yield Ideas Still Need Scale, Credibility, and Repeatability

Low interest rates encouraged investors to explore unconventional income sources such as royalties, asset-backed lending, litigation finance, liquor-license lending, and tax liens. Novelty alone is insufficient: Conrod emphasizes that a strategy must be scalable, led by a credible team, and supported by a systematic, repeatable process.

  • Low bond yields increase demand for alternative income
  • Niche assets can produce attractive returns
  • Small opportunities may not support an institutional fund
  • Management credibility remains essential
  • The process must be systematic and repeatable

“people are a lot of creative people out there trying to come up with strategies that will generate you know, an attractive you know, financial…”

David Conrod · 44:46

“it's got to be scalable and the management team has to be credible. Uh. And where there's a process in place where it's systematic and…”

David Conrod · 45:00
#alternative income#yield#manager selection#scalability
Takeaway1:01:44

The Best Early Foundations for a Private-Equity Career

Conrod recommends securing internships that provide direct investment-industry exposure and building experience in credit. The internship improves employability after graduation, while credit analysis supplies a durable foundation applicable across investing roles.

  • Seek internships before graduation
  • The internship need not be at a capital-raising firm
  • Investment-firm experience improves entry-level prospects
  • Credit training provides a valuable analytical foundation

“I definitely get an internship where you can.”

David Conrod · 1:01:56

“I also think getting experience and credit. I would recommend that to anybody coming right out. I think that is a good foundation”

David Conrod · 1:02:12
#careers#internships#credit#private equity