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Meb Faber21 March 2015

Cambria CIO Meb Faber: Masters in Business (Audio)

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Myth Buster· 3

Myth Buster12:20

Cheaper Investing Can Still Make Investors Worse

Lower commissions, fund fees, and automated portfolios have made diversified investing more accessible. Faber warns that easier access also enables more trading, leaving investors vulnerable to the same behavior gap that causes them to underperform simple portfolios.

  • Investment access and costs improved dramatically
  • Automation can enforce a disciplined allocation
  • More trading access can amplify harmful behavior
  • Low fees do not remove emotional mistakes

“You can gain access to an investing portfolio for a really cheap amount”

Meb Faber · 13:25

“The flip side of that is a lot of the access simply allows people to trade more, which isn't a good thing, right because usually…”

Meb Faber · 13:45
#fees#behavior gap#automation#investing
Myth Buster57:30

Market-Cap Indexes Mechanically Favor What Got Expensive

Faber's objection to market-cap weighting is structural: as a company's or country's price rises, it automatically becomes a larger portfolio weight. He argues that many alternative weighting methods have historically improved results because they avoid concentrating so heavily in the most expensive assets.

  • Price increases automatically enlarge index weights
  • The largest holdings can represent the most expensive assets
  • Equal and fundamental weighting reduce that structural tilt
  • The same issue can appear across countries in a global index

“It's not the best way to wait an index, and so you could wait it by almost anything else and you end up with a…”

Meb Faber · 58:27

“The problem with market cap by definition is what's getting more expensive because the price is going up, is going to be the biggest chunk…”

Meb Faber · 1:01:43
#indexing#market cap#portfolio weighting#valuation
Myth Buster1:16:43

Nominal Bond Returns Are Not Returns You Can Eat

Faber says bond performance must be evaluated after inflation because purchasing power is what investors ultimately consume. Bond losses may arrive as a slow inflationary erosion rather than the sharp price collapse associated with equities, but the real damage can still be substantial.

  • Measure fixed-income results after inflation
  • Nominal gains can conceal loss of purchasing power
  • Bond drawdowns can occur as a slow real decline
  • Foreign bonds are a major part of the global opportunity set

“Bonds, you have to look at real returns, not nominal return”

Meb Faber · 1:17:37

“What we call that in our new book is returns you can eat.”

Meb Faber · 1:17:42
#bonds#inflation#real returns#fixed income

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take48:35

The Cheapest Markets Usually Have the Worst Stories

Faber says deep-value opportunities are emotionally difficult because low prices often accompany geopolitical crises, weak economic data, and relentless bad news. That discomfort and career risk help explain why the return opportunity can persist.

  • Bad news and low valuations commonly appear together
  • Cheap countries can become cheaper before recovering
  • Worst trailing economic or currency results can identify opportunity
  • Emotional and career discomfort deter investors

“The geopolitics and the news flow is always terrible.”

Meb Faber · 48:51

“Tell me where things look the most miserable.”

Meb Faber · 53:01
#deep value#international investing#contrarian#career risk

Explainer· 3

Explainer19:42

The Liquidity Mismatch That Hurt Major Endowments

Large endowments held equity-heavy portfolios with substantial private and illiquid investments while also funding university budgets and buildings. In 2008–09, many risk assets fell together, leaving cash obligations badly matched with assets that could not readily be sold.

  • Endowments carried heavy equity-like exposure
  • Private equity and hedge funds limited liquidity
  • Schools depended on endowment distributions for operating budgets
  • The crisis combined falling assets with immediate cash needs

“They had a mismatch with their cash and liquidity needs.”

Meb Faber · 22:20

“And in the private equity and hedge funds aren't liquid for the most part, right, So it was kind of a perfect storm.”

Meb Faber · 22:34
#endowments#liquidity#financial crisis#asset allocation
Explainer46:53

Bubbles Borrow Returns From the Future

Faber describes a bubble as a period that brings future gains into the present. The larger the excess, the longer investors may wait after the collapse before valuations and cumulative returns normalize, as illustrated by the long aftermath of Japan's extreme valuation peak.

  • Extreme valuations can still rise further
  • A bubble advances years of gains into the present
  • Larger bubbles can require longer recovery periods
  • Cheap valuation may emerge only after a long adjustment

“What all that bubbles do is they pull forward future years and decades of returns.”

Meb Faber · 47:37

“But Japan took, you know, decades, right, And the irony is they finally got to a cheap valuation a couple of years ago.”

Meb Faber · 47:54
#bubbles#valuation#japan#returns
Explainer1:05:09

Why Great Funds Can Produce Terrible Investor Returns

Time-weighted fund performance can look excellent while the investors in that fund lose money. Investors tend to arrive after spectacular gains and leave after severe losses, so the largest dollars experience the worst part of the cycle.

  • Fund returns and investor returns are different measurements
  • Performance chasing attracts money after gains
  • Panic withdrawals lock in losses after drawdowns
  • Institutions are not immune to the same timing errors

“Because people chase the performance of the good funds and then they get out after they do very poorly, they always lag the actual returns…”

Meb Faber · 1:05:13

“If you look at the returns of the investors, it's horrific, right, because they came in at the wrong points.”

Meb Faber · 1:05:53
#performance chasing#fund returns#behavior gap#timing

Story· 1

Story1:08:55

The Managed-Futures Index Fitted to Ever-Rising Oil

Faber criticizes a managed-futures index that allowed long and short positions in many markets but excluded short energy exposure. The decision reflected the historical period when oil had mostly risen; the subsequent oil collapse exposed why fitting rules to the past can undermine the strategy's purpose.

  • The index excluded short energy positions
  • Its design reflected oil's prior one-way rise
  • Oil later fell by roughly two thirds
  • A regime-protection strategy should not remove inconvenient historical outcomes

“It's the number one classic mistake that quantum back testers should make, which is fitting it to the period.”

Meb Faber · 1:09:10

“Managed future is the whole point is that it's a strategy that will help protect you in various market environments, inflation or deflation.”

Meb Faber · 1:09:30
#backtesting#overfitting#managed futures#oil

Takeaway· 3

Takeaway09:19

Why Investors Need More Than Their Own Market History

Faber argues that investors need market history spanning centuries and countries, not merely their own recent experience. Markets can disappear, close, or remain impaired for decades, while recent returns distort expectations for what happens next.

  • Study markets beyond the past decade
  • Include countries whose markets failed or closed
  • Treat recent returns as a source of bias, not a forecast

“One of the most important things is trying to get a history of investing, so not just what's happened here in the last ten years,…”

Meb Faber · 09:31

“It's always a reflection of of what just took place. It's pure recency effect and no recognition of the underlying long term averages.”

Meb Faber · 16:28
#market history#recency bias#investing
Takeaway1:03:04

Famous Asset Allocations End Up Surprisingly Close

Faber compared portfolios associated with prominent investors and found that most clustered within roughly one and a half percentage points over long periods. Different mixes lead in different regimes, but broad diversification, sticking with the allocation, and controlling fees mattered more than precise weights.

  • Distinct famous portfolios produced similar long-run results
  • Real assets helped in inflationary periods and hurt in others
  • Diversification aims to balance different economic regimes
  • Discipline and low fees outweigh precise percentage choices

“They cluster, They're all within about a percent and a half of each other.”

Meb Faber · 1:03:29

“It shockingly doesn't matter that much what the percentages are um of the allocation, but rather that you stick to it, don't pay huge amounts…”

Meb Faber · 1:04:13
#asset allocation#diversification#fees#portfolio discipline
Takeaway1:19:49

A Risk Survey Cannot Simulate Being Punched in the Face

Faber argues that stated risk tolerance often fails when real losses arrive. Painful experience reveals which portfolio an investor can actually hold, making psychological fit and the ability to sleep more important than selecting a theoretically optimal strategy that will be abandoned.

  • Paper risk surveys cannot reproduce real loss
  • Large losses expose overconfidence and concentration
  • Portfolio style must fit the investor's psychology
  • A sustainable allocation should permit sleep and consistency

“Not putting all your eggs in one basket and risking everything. That's a huge one.”

Meb Faber · 1:20:43

“It's a part of the maturation process of becoming an investor is learning what's comfortable.”

Meb Faber · 1:22:07
#risk tolerance#investor psychology#losses#portfolio fit