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09 October 2024

At the Money: Valuation Is an Exercise in Faith

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster04:19

Why P/E and Price-to-Book Are Pricing Tools, Not Intrinsic Value

Damodaran argues that ratios such as price-to-earnings and price-to-book compare one security with prices assigned to supposedly similar companies. That makes them relative pricing tools rather than estimates of what the underlying business is intrinsically worth.

  • Multiples depend on comparisons with other traded companies
  • The definition of a comparable company is subjective
  • A low multiple indicates relative cheapness, not necessarily intrinsic undervaluation
  • Sell-side equity research often focuses on pricing rather than valuation

“Therefore as cheap, that's a pricing judgment. There's nothing value in here, there's no intrinsic value judgment.”

Aswath Damaduran · 04:50

“Nothing wrong with it, but we should be honest about what we're doing.”

Aswath Damaduran · 05:03
#multiples#relative valuation#pricing#equities

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take10:21

Damodaran Says Investing Is an Exercise in Faith

Damodaran describes investing as requiring faith in both one's value estimate and eventual price convergence. Neither the timing nor the catalyst can be proven in advance, so even disciplined analysis may produce no profit.

  • Investors must trust an uncertain estimate of value
  • Convergence between price and value is not guaranteed
  • The timing and catalyst for convergence may be unknowable
  • A correct process can still produce a poor outcome
  • Investors must be psychologically prepared for unresolved uncertainty

“I said, the essence of investing is faith. Faith that your estimated value is the right value, and faith that the price will move to…”

Aswath Damaduran · 10:35

“The essence of investing is you can do everything right and I have nothing to show for it, and you have to be okay with…”

Aswath Damaduran · 11:29
#uncertainty#faith#value investing#risk

Explainer· 2

Explainer07:05

Intrinsic Valuation Works for the S&P 500 Too

The same fundamental logic used for an individual company can be applied to a broad index. Damodaran uses index-level cash flows, growth, and risk to estimate what investors are pricing into the S&P 500 and the prospective rate of return implied by its level.

  • Broad indices can be analyzed intrinsically
  • Index cash flows and expected growth inform prospective returns
  • Risk remains a central input at the index level
  • Damodaran performs this analysis at the start of each month

“Absolutely, I mean it's cash flows, growth and risk drive the value of Invidia. Cash flows, growth and risk, because what drives the value the…”

Aswath Damaduran · 07:13

“In fact, that's the process I use at the start of every month to come up with an estimate or what investors are pricing in…”

Aswath Damaduran · 07:20
#s&p 500#indices#expected returns#valuation
Explainer08:29

Price and Value Can Move Apart for a Long Time

Intrinsic value changes with earnings, cash flows, growth, and risk, while market price responds to supply, demand, mood, and momentum. Because these processes differ, price can depart from value and remain separated from it much longer than a value investor expects.

  • Intrinsic value is dynamic rather than permanently fixed
  • Business fundamentals drive changes in value
  • Supply, demand, mood, and momentum drive price
  • Behavioral finance helps explain persistent deviations
  • An undervalued position can continue losing money

“Price is driven by demand and supply, driven by mood and momentum”

Aswath Damaduran · 09:14

“Price can deviate from value. It can stay separated from value for long periods”

Aswath Damaduran · 09:47
#price#intrinsic value#behavioral finance#momentum

Story· 1

Story05:40

Damodaran's Nvidia Investment Began With Luck, Not an AI Forecast

Damodaran says he bought Nvidia in 2008 without anticipating the rise of artificial intelligence. When the stock later reached roughly $800 per share, he had to reassess the holding rather than assume that a successful historical purchase should remain untouched.

  • The original purchase did not anticipate the AI boom
  • Successful investments can begin by accident
  • A large price increase creates a fresh capital-allocation decision
  • Past gains do not remove the need to reevaluate a holding

“I bought in Media purely by luck in two thousand and eighty. I didn't see AI coming, none of this stuff.”

Aswath Damaduran · 05:43

“So sometimes your best investments happened by accident.”

Aswath Damaduran · 05:49
#nvidia#ai#investment story#revaluation

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway07:39

The More You Pay Today, the Less You Should Expect Tomorrow

The price paid upfront has a direct relationship with prospective returns: all else equal, paying more lowers the return an investor can expect. Damodaran illustrates the point by comparing purchases of the same index at different levels.

  • Entry price materially affects expected return
  • A higher index level implies a lower prospective return when fundamentals are unchanged
  • Recent price movement can alter the return available to a new buyer
  • Paying the right price is a central capital-allocation decision

“The more you pay for something upfront, the low you're expected returns are going to be.”

Aswath Damaduran · 07:50

“It's about paying the right price for something upfront.”

Aswath Damaduran · 08:20
#expected returns#entry price#capital allocation#indices