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Aswath Damodaran06 April 2023

Aswath Damodaran on the Future of Business Education

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Myth Buster· 3

Myth Buster15:01

A Huge Dividend Yield May Signal a Company Near the Cliff

A very high dividend yield can result from a collapsing share price rather than an attractive distribution. Damodaran warns that distressed companies often preserve dividends too long and may eventually be forced to cut them.

  • A former two-percent yielder can appear to yield eight percent after its stock collapses.
  • Dividend policies remain sticky even when business conditions deteriorate.
  • Regional banks with elevated yields may face forced cuts.
  • Buying yield without examining business risk can place investors just ahead of a collapse.

“these are companies that are teetering on the edge of the cliff.”

Aswath Damodaran · 15:32

“You're just buying them just ahead of the precipice. And it's not a great way to invest as a reason.”

Aswath Damodaran · 16:05
#dividends#value investing#risk#banks
Myth Buster22:22

Wall Street Adopts Models Faster Than It Understands Them

Finance practitioners often import academic models while discarding their underlying assumptions. Damodaran uses beta and the small-cap premium to show how tools intended to explain risk can be repackaged into misleading alpha products or blunt valuation adjustments.

  • Beta assumes investors evaluate risk within diversified portfolios.
  • Using beta for a concentrated three-stock portfolio violates its central logic.
  • The small-cap effect was originally presented as compensation for hidden risk.
  • Practitioners can distort academic findings into marketable products and unjustified premiums.

“It's interesting the models catch up faster than the underlying logic.”

Aswath Damodaran · 22:22

“Everything in Wall Street becomes an alpha story.”

Aswath Damodaran · 24:38
#academic finance#beta#factor investing#risk
Myth Buster1:43:32

Businesses May Prefer Stable 5% Inflation to Volatile 2% Inflation

Damodaran argues that predictability can matter more than achieving the lowest possible inflation rate. A stable but higher rate enables planning, while inflation oscillating between zero and four percent makes long-term investment and pricing decisions harder.

  • There is nothing inherently magical about a two-percent target.
  • Volatility makes business planning and investing difficult.
  • High inflation is historically associated with greater instability.
  • A tighter inflation band could be more useful than a single point target.

“it's not high inflation per se that makes it difficult to run businesses. It's unstable inflation.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:44:00

“It's stability in inflation that really you're aspiring to do”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:44:38
#inflation#federal reserve#business planning#macroeconomics

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take18:15

Twitter May Work Better as a Public Utility Than a Business

Damodaran doubts that Twitter's usage pattern supports either a strong subscription or advertising model. He suggests that its public-square function may be more valuable than its monetization potential and proposes operating it near break-even through a foundation-like structure.

  • A small minority creates most tweets, limiting subscription revenue.
  • Short, hit-and-run usage weakens the advertising model.
  • Twitter remains highly valuable as a breaking-news venue.
  • Public utility status could fit the platform better than growth-company expectations.

“It's a difficult social media platform to monetize.”

Aswath Damodaran · 19:12

“Put it into a foundation for the public good, and if you really want it to be a public square, don't monetize it.”

Aswath Damodaran · 19:36
#twitter#social media#business models#public utility
Hot Take1:08:50

Amazon's Disruption Platform May Have Taken Its Eye Off Retail

Amazon evolved from an online retailer into a platform attacking soft spots across cloud, advertising, logistics, payments, and healthcare. Damodaran argues that this breadth diluted focus, produced projects with unclear revenue endgames, and allowed trust in the original retail experience to deteriorate.

  • Amazon's identity expanded far beyond retail.
  • Running many experiments makes organizational focus difficult.
  • Alexa illustrates a project whose monetization path was unclear.
  • Retail chaos and untrusted reviews risk testing Prime-member loyalty.

“I think they took their eye off the ball.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:08:50

“Amazon needs to return to that core business and kind of make sure that it's cleaned up to get back the customers.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:10:39
#amazon#strategy#retail#focus
Hot Take1:22:49

Dual-Class Shares Can Turn Genius Founders Into Unaccountable Rulers

Damodaran warns that investors granted founders permanent voting control because early success made them appear uniquely capable. When the founder's decisions later deteriorate, shareholders may discover that they surrendered the mechanism needed to change leadership.

  • Mark Zuckerberg owned a minority economic stake but controlled a majority of votes.
  • Investors accepted reduced rights because they considered founders geniuses.
  • A benevolent dictatorship can become harmful over time.
  • Once dual-class structures are normalized, markets struggle to close the door.

“We've effectively given Mark Zuckerberg fifty seven percent of the voting rights in perpetuity.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:23:18

“what happens to benevolent dictatorships over time is what starts have been as a benevolent dictatorship eventually becomes malevolent and you've taken away the power…”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:23:43
#dual-class shares#founders#governance#facebook

Explainer· 5

Explainer05:13

Why Buybacks Replaced Sticky Dividends

Damodaran argues that the shift toward buybacks reflects increasing uncertainty in corporate earnings, not simply taxes or executive stock options. Dividends create a sticky commitment that companies fear cutting, while buybacks can be suspended when conditions deteriorate.

  • Buybacks rose even as their relative tax advantage declined.
  • The shift from options to restricted stock did not reduce buybacks.
  • Unpredictable earnings make permanent dividend increases hazardous.
  • Buybacks fell sharply during the first quarter of 2020 while dividends remained sticky.

“I think of buybacks as flexible dividends. That's the way I think about it, and that's a good thing.”

Aswath Damodaran · 13:36

“But dividends continued as if nothing was happening, because, oh really, companies were terrified.”

Aswath Damodaran · 14:12
#buybacks#dividends#capital allocation#earnings
Explainer35:53

Technology Is Unbundling the University Package

Universities sell courses, credentials, networks, entertainment, and supervised independence as one expensive package. Damodaran argues that technology is beginning to price those components separately, exposing the premium embedded in the traditional degree even though parental expectations slow disruption.

  • Education includes more than classroom content.
  • Online courses expose the price difference between instruction and the bundled degree.
  • Professional networks can be created through alternatives such as LinkedIn.
  • Parents and credential expectations preserve the four-year model.

“So I think, in a sense, you're buying a package. It's like the old cable model.”

Aswath Damodaran · 36:50

“what technology is doing is it's unbundling the university model, and over time it's going to eat away at the university model.”

Aswath Damodaran · 37:38
#higher education#unbundling#technology#tuition
Explainer1:01:01

How Social Media Turned GameStop Into a Crowd Short Squeeze

Damodaran sees meme stocks as an old market phenomenon amplified by modern coordination technology. Social media increases the scale of mood and momentum, while revenge against hedge funds and nostalgia can become stronger motivations than company value.

  • GameStop was described as the first crowd-driven short squeeze.
  • Markets have always reflected mood and momentum.
  • Social platforms let much larger crowds coordinate rapidly.
  • The core business story may contain truth while the price magnitude bears little relation to it.
  • Revenge and nostalgia helped motivate meme-stock traders.

“Clearly, this has nothing to do with value. It's got to do with mood and momentum.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:02:00

“what social media has run and this I think is a more general point I would make is it's made mood and momentum stronger”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:02:08
#meme stocks#gamestop#social media#behavioral finance
Explainer1:35:24

Why Inflation Persists After Supply Shocks Fade

Inflation can begin with supply constraints but become embedded in expectations and behavior. Once workers anticipate higher prices and businesses anticipate higher wages and costs, each side acts preemptively, creating a cycle that may require a recession to break.

  • Inflation is psychological as well as economic.
  • Businesses begin raising prices repeatedly after a long period of stability.
  • Workers seek larger wage increases to preserve purchasing power.
  • Breaking embedded inflation can require enough demand weakness to deter price and wage increases.
  • Lower-income workers bear much of the recessionary cost.

“inflation is as much as psychological phenomenon as an economic phenomenon.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:35:52

“once inflation gets embedded in people's psyche it starts to affect how people, how people ask for wage increases, how much you raise prices”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:36:28
#inflation#wages#prices#recession
Explainer1:39:31

Equities Are an Inflation Hedge Only When Companies Have Pricing Power

Damodaran rejects the claim that equities collectively provide a reliable inflation hedge. Companies that can pass higher costs to customers may remain resilient, but the market as a whole lacks enough pricing power to offset inflation completely.

  • Aggregate profit margins did not validate a broad price-gouging story.
  • Pricing power lets selected companies pass inflation through to customers.
  • The rise in corporate cost of capital during 2022 was historically large.
  • Stocks collectively cannot pass through all inflation.
  • No financial asset is uniformly attractive when inflation is rising.

“I think that it boils down to pricing power.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:40:38

“not collectively if you have a subset of companies which your pricing power.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:41:21
#inflation#equities#pricing power#valuation

Takeaway· 4

Takeaway29:23

To Take Alpha Away, Bring Something to the Table

Damodaran dismisses strategies based on universally known calendar facts because accessible anomalies should be arbitraged away. Sustainable advantage must come from distinctive insight or an investor-specific structural characteristic, such as patient, low-cost capital.

  • Publicly known trading-hour patterns offer no obvious durable edge.
  • An edge can be informational, analytical, behavioral, or structural.
  • Institutional characteristics matter only if investors actually exploit them.
  • Berkshire benefited from insurance float that did not panic during crises.

“in investing you got to bring something to the table, right, take something away.”

Aswath Damodaran · 29:51

“You have to bring some new insight in order to take some alpha away.”

Aswath Damodaran · 29:57
#alpha#investing#competitive advantage#berkshire hathaway
Takeaway57:04

Why the Cheaper College May Offer the Better Life Outcome

Damodaran believes college remains useful for some students but questions paying a quarter-million dollars for a prestigious degree. He would favor a scholarship at a less prestigious school when the student can retain the broader college experience and preserve substantial capital for later life.

  • The income effect of a prestigious institution fades after the first job.
  • Disciplined self-starters can increasingly educate themselves online.
  • College still packages structure, networks, and social experience.
  • Saving roughly $200,000 can matter more than attending the highest-ranked available school.

“I'd encourage them to go to college on a scholarship if they could, and would pick a lesser college in the college that they get…”

Aswath Damodaran · 59:14

“I can't see the payoff from that economically.”

Aswath Damodaran · 59:34
#college#tuition#career#education
Takeaway1:55:35

A Finance Career Does Not Require Goldman Sachs

Damodaran defines finance broadly as decision-making involving money, which creates careers across businesses, nonprofits, government, banks, and consulting. Graduates should choose based on desired lifestyle, location, and work rather than prestige alone, while accepting the resulting pay tradeoffs.

  • Financial decisions occur in nearly every kind of organization.
  • Career selection should reflect lifestyle and location preferences.
  • Prestigious banking careers may not provide work-life balance.
  • Lower compensation can be a rational trade for a preferred life.

“You know, you don't have to end up at Goldman Sachs to be in finance.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:55:44

“Life is about tradeoffs.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:56:28
#finance careers#graduates#work-life balance#career planning
Takeaway1:57:19

Why Investors Must Be Psychologists as Well as Economists

Damodaran's central career lesson is that behavior and emotion influence economic decisions more than clean models imply. Rather than dismissing unexpected conduct as irrational, investors should treat it as human nature and incorporate it into their assumptions.

  • Emotion affects housing, education, investing, and markets.
  • Booms and busts cannot be understood through economics alone.
  • Models do not control the world they describe.
  • Unexpected behavior should trigger model revision rather than contempt.
  • Recognizing behavioral limits encourages humility.

“you need to be as much psychologists as economists to think about economic questions.”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:57:53

“rather than pick on the people who behave differently than you predicted and call them irrational, think of this as human nature and say why…”

Aswath Damodaran · 1:58:12
#behavioral finance#psychology#investing#decision making