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Adam S. Posen06 November 2020

Adam S. Posen on the Need for Fiscal Stimulus (Podcast)

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Myth Buster· 4

Myth Buster10:10

Globalization Is Not the Main Reason U.S. Workers Fell Behind

Posen argues that American workers suffered disproportionately because the United States has unusually weak welfare protections and labor institutions for a rich country. Global competition is real, but comparable countries absorbed it without leaving as many workers behind.

  • Domestic policy determines how globalization's gains and losses are distributed
  • Peer countries provide stronger welfare states and worker protections
  • Preventing workers abroad from earning a living is neither realistic nor defensible
  • Rolling back globalization can worsen rather than solve domestic problems

“the main reason a huge swath of people in the US have been left behind is because our politics, riven by race, riven by regionalism,…”

Adam Posen · 10:43

“You roll back globalization and it gets worse, not better.”

Adam Posen · 12:34
#globalization#workers#welfare-state#trade
Myth Buster17:33

Modern Monetary Theory's Crucial Leap Goes Too Far

Posen distinguishes recognizing greater fiscal capacity from claiming that budget constraints are fictional. Under low rates and high unemployment, conventional policy and MMT may recommend similar spending, but their long-term assumptions remain materially different.

  • Current conditions permit more fiscal expansion than older rules implied
  • Similar near-term policies can rest on very different theories
  • A looser budget constraint is not the same as no constraint
  • Fiscal capacity still requires responsible management

“there's a difference between saying the budget constraints are not as tight as people used to think, especially in these current circumstances, versus the budget…”

Adam Posen · 19:03

“Those are very different”

Adam Posen · 19:18
#mmt#deficits#fiscal-policy
Myth Buster44:02

Greenspan's Regulatory Failure Mattered More Than Easy Money

Posen separates the Federal Reserve's monetary-policy record from its role as financial supervisor. He considers Greenspan's monetary policy broadly competent but argues that weak mortgage standards, leverage controls, nonbank oversight, and supervision created the fragility behind the crisis.

  • Monetary policy and financial supervision should be evaluated separately
  • Low rates do not map one-to-one onto asset-price inflation
  • Weak lending and leverage standards amplified risk
  • A regulator ideologically opposed to regulation creates institutional danger

“Greenspan actually was quite good at monetary policy, and his activism was smart”

Adam Posen · 45:20

“it was totally undercut by the Lace Affair approach to regulation and supervision.”

Adam Posen · 46:16
#greenspan#financial-crisis#regulation#mortgages
Myth Buster49:49

Deflation Is More Likely to Stagnate Than Spiral

Japan's experience led Posen to revise the view that deflation inevitably accelerates into a catastrophic downward spiral. Sticky wages and prices make it difficult to escape deflation, but they also reduce the likelihood of an uncontrolled collapse.

  • Wages tend to resist nominal cuts, producing unemployment instead
  • Prices are sticky even though digital commerce has increased flexibility
  • Deflation can persist without continuously accelerating
  • The deeper problem is low yields, low investment, and weak risk appetite

“what Japan has shown us is now deflation is kind of a sticky mess. You get into it, it's hard to get out.”

Adam Posen · 52:22

“So look at look at the causes, not the effects.”

Adam Posen · 53:01
#deflation#japan#wages#secular-stagnation

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take19:43

Why Central Banks Should Act Even When Asset Owners Benefit

Expansionary monetary policy can increase asset values, but Posen argues that refusing to act against mass unemployment causes much greater harm. Joblessness scars individuals, families, communities, and the next generation, so distributional objections should be addressed through taxation and fiscal policy rather than central-bank paralysis.

  • Mass unemployment inflicts lasting real-world damage
  • Asset-price gains at the top do not justify withholding support from workers
  • Monetary policy cannot carry the full burden of redistribution
  • Tax policy can address gains accruing to wealthy households

“if you have massed unemployment, that is so much worse for those people than the fact that some rich people get ahead because stock prices…”

Adam Posen · 20:47

“the fact that the people in the top get ahead isn't going to prevent me from helping the people on the bottom.”

Adam Posen · 21:28
#inequality#unemployment#monetary-policy#federal-reserve
Hot Take24:35

Populist Votes Cannot Be Reduced to Economic Pain

Posen warns economists against forcing every political choice into an economic explanation. National identity, hostility to social change, symbolic cultural issues, and prejudice can motivate voters even when the chosen policy is economically harmful.

  • People knowingly prioritize noneconomic values
  • Brexit and Trump drew on overlapping cultural forces
  • Symbolic attitudes can predict votes better than direct economic interests
  • Economists should identify false economic promises without denying political motives

“it's really important very that we emphasize that not everything is about economics.”

Adam Posen · 25:18

“People choose to do things that matter to them that may be a bad idea economically.”

Adam Posen · 25:22
#populism#politics#brexit#identity
Hot Take54:07

Blockchain May Improve Plumbing Without Transforming Money

Posen expects blockchain and cryptocurrencies to function mainly as financial infrastructure rather than a revolutionary monetary system. They may improve payment rails and become more common while having little visible macroeconomic importance.

  • Payment systems are essential but largely invisible infrastructure
  • Blockchain may provide more reliable financial pipes
  • Fintech branding exaggerates the technology's economic significance
  • Adoption can grow without transforming the international monetary order

“they're really plumbing.”

Adam Posen · 54:51

“I think it's frankly not going to matter very much”

Adam Posen · 55:11
#blockchain#bitcoin#payments#fintech

Explainer· 4

Explainer21:44

The Economic Case Against Brexit in Supply-and-Trade Terms

Posen characterizes Brexit as a self-imposed supply shock against Britain's largest trading partner. Leaving the single market restricts goods and high-value services trade while weakening Britain's role as a base for foreign companies serving Europe.

  • Europe accounts for a large share of British trade
  • Single-market exit affects services and standards as well as tariffs
  • Britain already avoided several alleged economic drawbacks of EU membership
  • Foreign manufacturers lose the rationale for using Britain as an EU platform

“you can't make it an economic argument.”

Adam Posen · 22:17

“So there is no economic upside.”

Adam Posen · 24:29
#brexit#trade#united-kingdom#european-union
Explainer37:44

What a Return to the Gold Standard Would Actually Do

A gold standard would expose the dollar to speculative attacks and tie monetary conditions to the arbitrary supply of gold. Posen expects the result would resemble the late nineteenth century, with capital flight and sharper, more frequent fluctuations in real activity.

  • Investors would test the credibility of the currency's gold peg
  • Money supply would depend on gold availability rather than economic needs
  • Monetary policy would lose flexibility during shocks
  • Recessions and depressions would become more frequent

“you would be determining monetary policy by arbitrarily the amount of gold showing up in the world essentially”

Adam Posen · 38:29

“that would be a definite step backwards for the US.”

Adam Posen · 39:19
#gold-standard#monetary-policy#currency#recessions
Explainer39:27

Federal Reserve Independence Is Managed, Not Absolute

Posen argues that a central bank remains independent only while a durable political constituency supports it. Because Congress can rewrite the Federal Reserve Act, public engagement, accountability, and legislative credibility are substantive defenses of independence.

  • Formal independence cannot outrun politics indefinitely
  • Public opinion places boundaries around central-bank autonomy
  • Congress poses a more direct institutional threat than presidential criticism
  • Credible communication enabled the Fed to deploy controversial crisis tools

“independence of the FED or any central bank depends on having a political constituency that supports it”

Adam Posen · 39:57

“The FETE is scared of Congress, because Congress can change the Federal Reserve Act at any time.”

Adam Posen · 42:05
#fed-independence#congress#central-banking#public-trust
Explainer48:04

The Fed Has Infinite Defensive Ammo but Limited Offensive Power

The Federal Reserve can supply liquidity and halt financial panics, but it cannot reliably generate a sustained recovery by itself. Posen frames monetary policy as a defensive specialist: essential for preventing collapse but insufficient for producing broad growth.

  • The usefulness of Fed tools depends on the job
  • Liquidity operations can counter panics and market seizures
  • Avoiding monetary mistakes is necessary but not sufficient for recovery
  • Fiscal policy and private demand must do more of the offensive work

“the FED has infinite demo. It can do what it needs to stave that off.”

Adam Posen · 49:00

“It just think of the FED as a defensive specialist, not a shooting guard.”

Adam Posen · 49:28
#federal-reserve#liquidity#recovery#monetary-policy

Story· 1

Story29:39

Posen's Montagu Norman Test for Crisis Decisions

While serving at the Bank of England, Posen used the portrait of Depression-era governor Montagu Norman as an anti-model. Norman represented the liquidationist belief that recessions should purge weak firms and borrowers, an approach Posen says repeatedly causes avoidable human destruction.

  • Historical failure can serve as a useful negative reference
  • Liquidationism treats suffering as economically cleansing
  • Northern Rock illustrated the danger of prioritizing moral hazard during panic
  • Regulation should address bad credit continuously rather than through economic purgatory

“I look at Herbert Hoover, I think what would he do? What did he do in thirty one? And I'm going to do the opposite.”

Adam Posen · 30:43

“That is no way to act, because you wipe out a lot of human beings doing that.”

Adam Posen · 34:39
#great-depression#bank-of-england#austerity#financial-crisis

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway1:08:25

Three Skills Aspiring Policy Economists Should Build

Posen advises young economists to become empirically minded, develop sustained written and oral arguments, and study how other countries solve similar problems. The objective is not merely technical sophistication but the ability to test claims against messy reality and communicate useful conclusions.

  • Learn how to gather, inspect, and reason from imperfect data
  • Build enough technical skill to support empirical judgment
  • Practice both concise communication and long-form argument
  • Use international comparisons to challenge domestic assumptions

“the first and to me most important thing is focus on learning how to think about data.”

Adam Posen · 1:09:21

“the final thing, which is my fundamental belief in my career um is be internationally minded.”

Adam Posen · 1:10:31
#careers#economics#data#communication#internationalism